Am I wrong??

[gabeswife]

Hey, new papa out there. What is going on?

I could slap you for this comment. How insensitive and manipulative.

OK, I must admit I should I have chosen different words. I couldn't remember the original poster's id and i wasnt sure how to scroll back without losing my post. But in all honestly, I am still burdened over the whole situation and would love an update. I wept and prayed all through worship on Sunday. I am just curious in which direction do I pray next. But, I am sorry for the insensitivity. And are you serious about "I could slap you" comment? I ask a question about what is going on, and i am insensitive and maniulative (which i dont get that part at all) and you want to invoke violence. I think that says more about you than me. But this whole part is totally off topic anyway, well the whole strand is off topic anyway isnt it?

[gabeswife]

Care to explain how you know what our God is thinking and feeling? Did God come down and talk you specifically and tell you? Oh let me guess, you read it in the bible, right? Well you do know that the bible is written by man, right?

If a woman is raped, do you think she should be allowed to get an abortion?

Yes, I read the Bible, but I also have the Holy Spirit in me. Yes, i know that the Bilbe was written by a man, and I also know that Jesus was a man. It is easier to beleive that God created us and sent his son for us than it is to believe that one single cell organism ate another and then evolved and evolved into humans. I for one think that our father who loved us created us.

I am sure this will make people get all hyped up, but no i dont think that abortion is okay for anything. I think that God is pretty clear on things, either it is black or white, and i dont think you can say no it isnt okay but if this happpens that it is. But that is just my belief system.

[Zenieth]

I am sure this will make people get all hyped up, but no i dont think that abortion is okay for anything. I think that God is pretty clear on things, either it is black or white, and i dont think you can say no it isnt okay but if this happpens that it is. But that is just my belief system.

Thanks for your honesty. So you're saying that if you were ever raped and got pregnant you would keep the baby and love him/her as you do with your current children? You can answer this question without ever having gone through this yourself?

You have a pretty strong belief in the bible and what not, so why do you think God let's things like rape and murder happen in the first place? Especially to those who are innocent and haven't committed sins?

Also you say "God is pretty clear on things" can you prove to me how you know this to be fact?? How can you appoint yourself as to know what God thinks? That is pretty presumptious and mighty of you...to claim that you, you of all people knows what God's true intentions are.

[gabeswife]

You have a pretty strong belief in the bible and what not, so why do you think God let's things like rape and murder happen in the first place? Especially to those who are innocent and haven't committed sins?

Also you say "God is pretty clear on things" can you prove to me how you know this to be fact?? How can you appoint yourself as to know what God thinks? That is pretty presumptious and mighty of you...to claim that you, you of all people knows what God's true intentions are.

Well, I agree it is hard to know what you would do in a situation that has never happened. I know for a fact I would never get an abortion. I would hope that I would raise it as my own. My husband and I have discussed it at great length, but if I were unable to keep the baby then i would adopt it out as a last resort. Just as I know I wouldnt ever plan to cmmit a murder, I wouldnt get an abortion. I hope that makes sense.

And I dont think God "lets" things happen. There is the free-will thing, and of course there is good and bad in the world. It isn't easy to explain. But I am sure you have heard the answers before. I know it is complicated and people have a hard time understanding it all. I know even I do, but like i said before it is easier to believe and live so much more free than to stand alone in the world. I am not sure if that seems like I dont truly believe or i am just taking the easy road, but when you take that leap of faith and just beleive it just comes together and you can understand. It is that Holy Spirit thing.

I just know what the Bible and the Holy Sprit tell me. I admit I am not the end all say all about God, i myself am a pretty immature Christian (only 7 years) and i guess that is why it is so easy to beleive. I have my child-like faith. And like an old philosopher said..if you dont believe and it is true then you get hell, if you do belive and it isnt true, you lose nothing, but if it is true and you do believe you inherit heaven. So, beleiving is the only answer in my opinion.

[mostirreverent]

Praying wont help. If knowing this woman would have an abortion, your god should have kept her (lucky) from becoming pregnant. Your god obviously does not care about her or what she does.

Wow, I am shocked by this comment, but I suppose i can understand where you are coming from with such simple thinking. If you knew anything about OUR God then you would know there is free will. God blessed these two people wtih an amazing gift, and she has free will to choose what to do now. God cares deeply about her and her baby, and the father. I am sure you at this point in your life you cannot grasp how true that is, but that is ok. God is knocking on your door, and you have free will to choose to open or not.

As for the "pro-lifers don't mind killing Vietcong, Arabs, or cummnists" comment, what an amazing assumption to make. You must not know a lot about "pro-lifers" because true pro-lifers know there is meaning in all life God created. I think you might be lumping the stereotypical Republican in with Jesus-loving-pro-lifers. Just know those are two totally different things.

And I would love an update about what is going on with the baby. Hey, new papa out there. What is going on?[/quote

I’ll grant you there are two pro-life camps.

As for free will, there is or maybe not in your view, something called luck. Surely your god controls luck. He/She/It then must also grant luck good or bad, or is the universe random. Even if you say we cannot know the reason, some people are still granted such luck. She does not have the will to choose good luck.

To say my thinking is simple and then evoke free will and a deist view is absurd. This is also in light of knowing that the bible (missing quite a few books) was a simple construct of the early church in an effort to control the hearts and minds of mankind. To live by such a corrupted text is not only simple thinking, but is dangerous to all sane rational thinking human beings. To make laws base on it and not understand why a law should be made is simple. The stories and laws were based on humanist tenants, but they have been perverted for political gain. That is why there is no place for it in this discussion.