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a REAL conservative's view.....

Postby LankyYankee on Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:50 am

Now here is conservatism I can respect.


from DMagazine

Leading Off By Wick Allison, Editor In Chief


THE MORE I LISTEN TO AND READ ABOUT “the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate,” the more I like him. Barack Obama strikes a chord with me like no political figure since Ronald Reagan. To explain why, I need to explain why I am a conservative and what it means to me.


In 1964, at the age of 16, I organized the Dallas Count y Youth for Goldwater. My senior thesis at the University of Texas was on the conservative intellectual revival in America. Twenty years later, I was invited by William F. Buckley Jr. to join the board of National Review. I later became its publisher.


Conservatism to me is less a political philosophy than a stance, a recognition of the fallibility of man and of man’s institutions. Conservatives respect the past not for its antiquity but because it represents, as G.K. Chesterton said, the democracy of the dead; it gives the benefit of the doubt to customs and laws tried and tested in the crucible of time. Conservatives are skeptical of abstract theories and utopian schemes, doubtful that government is wiser than its citizens, and always ready to test any political program against actual results.


Liberalism always seemed to me to be a system of “oughts.” We ought to do this or that because it’s the right thing to do, regardless of whether it works or not. It is a doctrine based on intentions, not results, on feeling good rather than doing good.


But today it is so-called conservatives who are cemented to political programs when they clearly don’t work. The Bush tax cuts—a solution for which there was no real problem and which he refused to end even when the nation went to war—led to huge deficit spending and a $3 trillion growth in the federal debt. Facing this, John McCain pum ps his “conservative” credentials by proposing even bigger tax cuts. Meanwhile, a movement that once fought for limited government has presided over the greatest growth of government in our history. That is not conservatism; it is profligacy using conservatism as a mask.


Today it is conservatives, not liberals, who talk with alarming bellicosity about making the world “safe for democracy.” It is John McCain who says America’s job is to “defeat evil,” a theological expansion of the nation’s mission that would make George Washington cough out his wooden teeth.


This kind of conservatism, which is not conservative at all, has produced financial mismanagement, the waste of human lives, the loss of moral authority, and the wreckage of our economy that McCain now threatens to make worse.


Barack Obama is not my ideal candidate for president. (In fact, I made the maximum donation to John McCain during the primaries, when there was still hope he might come to his senses.) But I now see that Obama is almost the ideal candidate for this moment in American history. I disagree with him on many issues. But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. Nobody can read Obama’s books (which, it is worth noting, he wrote himself) or listen to him speak without realizing that this is a thoughtful, pragmatic, and prudent man. It gives20me comfort just to think that after eight years of George W. Bush we will have a president who has actually read the Federalist Papers.


Most important, Obama will be a realist. I doubt he will taunt Russia, as McCain has, at the very moment when our national interest requires it as an ally. The crucial distinction in my mind is that, unlike John McCain, I am convinced he will not impulsively take us into another war unless American national interests are directly threatened.


“Every great cause,” Eric Hoffer wrote, “begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” As a cause, conservatism may be dead. But as a stance, as a way of making judgments in a complex and difficult world, I believe it is very much alive in the instincts and predispositions of a liberal named Barack Obama.




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Postby Ivan Diederhoff on Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:59 am

LankyYankee,

:worship: :worship: :worship: :clap: :clap: :clap: :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou: :grinning: :grinning: :grinning:


That was a very nice post to read, thank you.
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Postby Cambridge on Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:04 am

Conservatism to me is less a political philosophy than a stance, a recognition of the fallibility of man and of man’s institutions. Conservatives respect the past not for its antiquity but because it represents, as G.K. Chesterton said, the democracy of the dead; it gives the benefit of the doubt to customs and laws tried and tested in the crucible of time. Conservatives are skeptical of abstract theories and utopian schemes, doubtful that government is wiser than its citizens, and always ready to test any political program against actual results.


Total bullshit. Let’s cut to the chase. Conservativism was originally organized and promoted in the US by Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of Treasury in George Washington’s cabinet. It represented the interests of the mercantile North East as opposed to the cash-cropping and agrarian South—hence the South was always populist and democratic. It was at first the Whig party in America and then it became the Socialist republican party on the eve of the American Civil War.

The total economic and political devotion of conservatism is to the principles of capitalism. Capitalism has an inherent contradiction in it for democratic theory. While democracy depends on the gathering of the most votes, capitalism says screw you, I'm in it for myself and myself alone. The original premise of the economic theories of Adam Smith was that individuals were competitive, not cooperative. If you have a political and economic theory that is against union, yet you must depend on a union of votes to attain power, then you have only one recourse: lie.

As succinctly as I can put it, that is why neocon republicans lie. Follow the tracks. Only democrats represent the public interest. We all instinctively know this to be true. Republicans, we recognize, represent strictly special interests...mostly around economic benefit: Cheney-Haliburton, Bush-big Oil, McCain-banks and the Keating-5…anyone fail to see the pattern? 8)

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Postby LankyYankee on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:12 pm

I disagree.

Conservatism and liberalism are modes of thought, not political parties. The terms represent different aspects of our psyche, including "us" and "them".

You're preaching to the choir about the Republican Party.

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Postby Fred75 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:26 pm

F*** conservatism!
Gimme
Gimme
Gimme!
I want
I want

I want FREE health care
I want free housing!
I want free food
I want
I want

What a fool I was to pay off my house!
Now I have missed the boat and am not going to get state run housing!

You young American men out there... F*** getting a job
F*** marrying her! It's only a piece of paper!
Just F*** her!
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Postby Ivan Diederhoff on Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:09 pm

Fred75 wrote:[b]F*** conservatism!
Gimme
Gimme
Gimme!
I want
I want


:rotflmao: Can you come up with some music to go with those conservative lyrics? :laff:

I want FREE health care
I want free housing!
I want free food
I want
I want

What a fool I was to pay off my house!
Now I have missed the boat and am not going to get state run housing!

You young American men out there... F*** getting a job
F*** marrying her! It's only a piece of paper!
Just F*** her!

[/b]

:laff: :lolup: :rotflmao:

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Postby Cambridge on Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:31 am

Ivan Diederhoff wrote:
Fred75 wrote:[b]F*** conservatism!
Gimme
Gimme
Gimme!
I want
I want


:rotflmao: Can you come up with some music to go with those conservative lyrics? :laff:

I want FREE health care
I want free housing!
I want free food
I want
I want

What a fool I was to pay off my house!
Now I have missed the boat and am not going to get state run housing!

You young American men out there... F*** getting a job
F*** marrying her! It's only a piece of paper!
Just F*** her!

[/b]

:laff: :lolup: :rotflmao:



Christ, Fred. You didn't really believe the neocons, did you?

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Postby Ivan Diederhoff on Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:15 pm

Oh yeah, he took it hook, line and sinker, Cambridge. But he isn't alone, have you read some of the posts of other board conservatives? :lol:

P.T. Barnum was wise beyond his time!
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Postby Cambridge on Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:18 am

:lol: Yep, a sucker born every minute. How long have I been saying that republicans live to lie? :roll: Pay up, Fred. I won. :D

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Postby Ivan Diederhoff on Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:00 am

Cambridge, for whatever it's worth, I suggest giving a walk on whatever debt Fred owes. In light of what we are all going to be paying for this rescue of America, we need to band together to show how strong and united Americans CAN be!

The time for finger pointing is long gone. Now, it's time to roll up the sleeves, get to some HARD work, and put the ship straight.
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