Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: Muslims
What's the deal with these groups that want to attack us for no apparent reason?
Is there any way of making these people integrate with us and accept that some of us are different? For instance I like to wear women's clothes, skirts, panties heels etc. I know if I was living in their land they would kill me as they look down on women but I wonder if all of us can live together in peace?
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Muslims
KiltyCol2 wrote:
What's the deal with these groups that want to attack us for no apparent reason?
Is there any way of making these people integrate with us and accept that some of us are different? For instance I like to wear women's clothes, skirts, panties heels etc. I know if I was living in their land they would kill me as they look down on women but I wonder if all of us can live together in peace?
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Muslims
KiltyCol2 wrote:
What's the deal with these groups that want to attack us for no apparent reason?
Is there any way of making these people integrate with us and accept that some of us are different? For instance I like to wear women's clothes, skirts, panties heels etc. I know if I was living in their land they would kill me as they look down on women but I wonder if all of us can live together in peace?
KiltyCol
The simple answer is: no we can't.
Muslims have a faith bound duty to dominate the world and to kill all others. That is what this so-called "peaceful" religion believes.
The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, who reject any terrorism, they are simply getting a bad rap from the actions of a few.
Quite right Sharon!
I know a few Muslims and they typically don't agree with the war in Iraq (who can blame them?). However, they don't condone the actions of terrorists. As ever, it's a few noisy extremists that cause the problem. Murdering innocent people on a bus or train is not a justified course of action in the eyes of the huge majority of Muslims.
I also believe that some integration is starting to happen. Our native cultures are very different and some people are frightened of anything they don't understand. My eldest boy has a very good friend who is Muslim. His family are a very good example of integration. They are 'Westernised' to a point, but are still very loyal to their faith (Halal meat etc...) They're one of the nicest families I've ever met and are a shining example of how well we can all get on with each other. They accept our ways and beliefs, and we respect their way of life.
The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, who reject any terrorism, they are simply getting a bad rap from the actions of a few.
Quite right Sharon!
I know a few Muslims and they typically don't agree with the war in Iraq (who can blame them?). However, they don't condone the actions of terrorists. As ever, it's a few noisy extremists that cause the problem. Murdering innocent people on a bus or train is not a justified course of action in the eyes of the huge majority of Muslims.
I also believe that some integration is starting to happen. Our native cultures are very different and some people are frightened of anything they don't understand. My eldest boy has a very good friend who is Muslim. His family are a very good example of integration. They are 'Westernised' to a point, but are still very loyal to their faith (Halal meat etc...) They're one of the nicest families I've ever met and are a shining example of how well we can all get on with each other. They accept our ways and beliefs, and we respect their way of life.
It isn't as difficult as some people think!
You are wrong.
80% of UK Muslims will NOT report a Muslim terrorist. (Government findings)
That makes the vast majority supporters of terrorism, and its ultimate goal of establishing an Islamic state and Shira Law in the UK.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject:
Im a bit half and half on this one. I agree that not all muslims are potential terrorists but for the most integration is not an option. They dont want to integrate and they prove this by having their own schools, churches, shops, areas of living and by their refusal to teach their kids who are born in this country the English way of life. I agree that their culture is important but when in Rome and all that. English should be their first language not second. Also things have changed tremendously in the last 10 years. Especially since 9/11. 10 or more years ago you never saw so many muslims walking around in traditional dress. Mainly cos they were afraid to becasue of racial discrimation, which is wrong, I agree. But now they wear it in defiance because they know we cant say anything because we will be accused of being racist. There are so many instances where someone has been accused of racism over something stupid that nobody dares say anything. On the subject of terrorism, there is also the fact that a lot of the bombings that have gone on in the last few years have been committed by English born muslims. They havent been living in India or Pakistan and being taught to hate in their own country but have been brought up in this country, possibly going to school with your children and being taught the same. So where do they learn this message? Their parents? Their church leader? They are learning it somewhere and when it is homegrown it becomes very frightening which is why they all get treated with suspicion. I know it isnt right and a lot dont agree with the teachings of hate and terrorism but how do you tell? That young man that works at your place who was as shocked as you when the twin towers went down is now walking around in head dress sporting a full beard. How do you know that he doesnt secretly agree with what happened? I know of a lot of muslims who used to be quite westernised but when I see them now, I just know what to think.
The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, who reject any terrorism, they are simply getting a bad rap from the actions of a few.
Quite right Sharon!
I know a few Muslims and they typically don't agree with the war in Iraq (who can blame them?). However, they don't condone the actions of terrorists. As ever, it's a few noisy extremists that cause the problem. Murdering innocent people on a bus or train is not a justified course of action in the eyes of the huge majority of Muslims.
I also believe that some integration is starting to happen. Our native cultures are very different and some people are frightened of anything they don't understand. My eldest boy has a very good friend who is Muslim. His family are a very good example of integration. They are 'Westernised' to a point, but are still very loyal to their faith (Halal meat etc...) They're one of the nicest families I've ever met and are a shining example of how well we can all get on with each other. They accept our ways and beliefs, and we respect their way of life.
It isn't as difficult as some people think!
You are wrong.
80% of UK Muslims will NOT report a Muslim terrorist. (Government findings)
That makes the vast majority supporters of terrorism, and its ultimate goal of establishing an Islamic state and Shira Law in the UK.
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:39 am Post subject:
Who? wrote:
Sharon den Adel wrote:
The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, who reject any terrorism, they are simply getting a bad rap from the actions of a few.
Quite right Sharon!
I know a few Muslims and they typically don't agree with the war in Iraq (who can blame them?).
I joined an Islamic forum simply to gain more knowledge of the religion itself, and what Muslims generally thought about a range of issues. I was surprised by what they told me. I can honestly say I have never met a happier and respectful group of people.
They dont want to integrate and they prove this by having their own schools, churches, shops, areas of living and by their refusal to teach their kids who are born in this country the English way of life
I think you'll find that the the majority of the british public didnt want to integrate.
It we were more welcoming as a nation and hadnt spent many years bullying and abusing them life here would probably be much more integrated.
Why would they want to attend british schools to be treated that way.
so when you were fighting them did you posess a gun? were you taught to shoot to kill if threatened? were you taught that they were the enemy? mmmm sound familiar? Im sure those whom you faught didnt come away thinking that you were a lovely,moral, upstanding father of 4(?) with a great compassion for others - war just doesnt cut it that way and theres always another way to look at things.
War is war - your enemy is your enemy. All soldiers are pawns in this game whatever your faith or belief. And whilst i respect any soldier who fights for this or any other country a battlefield does not a 'all knowing' person make. You know what you know. You dont know everything about all muslims.
Im not saying you are totally wrong, Im saying your not totally right.
so when you were fighting them did you posess a gun? were you taught to shoot to kill if threatened? were you taught that they were the enemy? mmmm sound familiar? Im sure those whom you faught didnt come away thinking that you were a lovely,moral, upstanding father of 4(?) with a great compassion for others - war just doesnt cut it that way and theres always another way to look at things.
War is war - your enemy is your enemy. All soldiers are pawns in this game whatever your faith or belief. And whilst i respect any soldier who fights for this or any other country a battlefield does not a 'all knowing' person make. You know what you know. You dont know everything about all muslims.
Im not saying you are totally wrong, Im saying your not totally right.
When the government itself finds out that 80% of Muslims wouldn't report a terrorist, and 80% want Sharia Law in the UK (for everyone) including death for adultery, homosexuality, non-religious belief or beliefs other than Islam, chopping off heads left, right and centre...
so when you were fighting them did you posess a gun? were you taught to shoot to kill if threatened? were you taught that they were the enemy? mmmm sound familiar? Im sure those whom you faught didnt come away thinking that you were a lovely,moral, upstanding father of 4(?) with a great compassion for others - war just doesnt cut it that way and theres always another way to look at things.
War is war - your enemy is your enemy. All soldiers are pawns in this game whatever your faith or belief. And whilst i respect any soldier who fights for this or any other country a battlefield does not a 'all knowing' person make. You know what you know. You dont know everything about all muslims.
Im not saying you are totally wrong, Im saying your not totally right.
When the government itself finds out that 80% of Muslims wouldn't report a terrorist, and 80% want Sharia Law in the UK (for everyone) including death for adultery, homosexuality, non-religious belief or beliefs other than Islam, chopping off heads left, right and centre...
I think we do know conclusively.
I dont personally totally trust what any government tells us. I know no muslims who want the above things you list although i am aware that they definitely exist. Im also aware that many British people would endorse bringing back the deathe penalty - i no more agree with this that i do extreme muslim belief.
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but I wonder if all of us can live together in peace?
