Western Civilisation is at war.

[gusty]

In view of the crime today the West should act as in a state of war with all the restrictions that state entails.

[you have male]

There's no need to declare war when all of our leaders are determined not to yield to terrorism. They're all of one mind on this, so everything is fine.

The root causes of the attacks on what you amusingly call "Western Civilisation" really don't matter to our leaders, just so long as they can continue to stand resolutely shoulder to shoulder while they seek out the terrorist networks who are responsible. As with all the other problems that beset the world, politicians will continue to "address issues," because that means they don't actually need to do anything.

Isaeli fascism is what is ultimately responsible for today's atrocities in London.

[shawn69]

There's no need to declare war when all of our leaders are determined not to yield to terrorism. They're all of one mind on this, so everything is fine.

The root causes of the attacks on what you amusingly call "Western Civilisation" really don't matter to our leaders, just so long as they can continue to stand resolutely shoulder to shoulder while they seek out the terrorist networks who are responsible. As with all the other problems that beset the world, politicians will continue to "address issues," because that means they don't actually need to do anything.

Isaeli fascism is what is ultimately responsible for today's atrocities in London.

Apparently someone needs to read a dictionary and understand the term fascism. Israel is the most democratic government in the middle east. There's no dictatorship, oppressive government, or censorship that would be characteristic of say Hitler.
The war between Muslims and Jews stems back to Abraham and the division of land. The current hatred for western and other civilized societies is well defined in this article. Try reading it You Have Male

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040317.shtml

[you have male]

When I hear an Israeli refer to the "final solution of the Palestinian problem" I know that I'm listening to a ..

[shawn69]

When I hear an Israeli refer to the "final solution of the Palestinian problem" I know that I'm listening to a ..

Do you know what the Muslim's solution for Israel is? They have vocally stated that they want to drive them into the sea. Do you know how Palestine was formed? Palestine is not even an officially recognized state. It was formed via UN accord I believe after WWI and then later partitioned by them to form Israel following WWII. I've done countless papers over the history of Israel. Just once you should research the plight of the Jews for understanding. If Israel wanted to put an end to Palestine, they could do it faster then you could take a shower. Considering where they live and their surroundings, it's amazing the restraint that they shown. Do you know why they show such restaint? US political pressure is why. But they know that we are the one country that has their back even though the rest of the world has pretty much abandoned them.
You'd rather appease the enemy. Why can't we just get along. All we need is some understanding. You sound kind of like the French during WWII. Look what happened to them. Are you just that damn naive or stupid to not realize the threat posed by the muslim radicals? They don't give a damn about know one except for themselves.

[you have male]

Do you know what the Muslim's solution for Israel is? They have vocally stated that they want to drive them into the sea. Do you know how Palestine was formed?

Do you know you sound like the problem, rather than someone ready to discuss solutions?

Palestine is not even an officially recognized state. It was formed via UN accord I believe after WWI

I think you must mean the League of Nations. Palestine is an ancient land, named after some of its early inhabitants, the Philistines.

and then later partitioned by them to form Israel following WWII. I've done countless papers over the history of Israel. Just once you should research the plight of the Jews for understanding.

The UN's involvement began with a plan to divide Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem as an international zone, under UN jurisdiction. This isn't a bad starting point for constructive discussion of Palestine's future. What I mean is, let's just assume that the UN weighed all the evidence carefully in 1947 and take it from there.

If Israel wanted to put an end to Palestine, they could do it faster then you could take a shower. Considering where they live and their surroundings, it's amazing the restraint that they shown. Do you know why they show such restaint? US political pressure is why.

Ah, at last you acknowledge the importance of US political pressure. That, along with the economic clout you wield are just about the only things that matter to the parties involved, outside of their hatred for each other. The Israelis are entirely dependent on your support, their enemies despise you for lending it.

But they know that we are the one country that has their back even though the rest of the world has pretty much abandoned them.

Yes, that can happen when the world's only superpower is determined to call all the shots - everyone else says okay, you can go to hell your own way.

You'd rather appease the enemy. Why can't we just get along. All we need is some understanding. You sound kind of like the French during WWII. Look what happened to them.

You must at least try to make sense, or I won't talk to you any more.

Are you just that damn naive or stupid to not realize the threat posed by the muslim radicals? They don't give a damn about know one except for themselves.

Okay, that did it!

[mogadishu]

Shawn - are you in favor of the apartheid wall?

[Lena]

Some guys on the radio here like Rush Limbaugh and Oliver North also are always saying that America and Europe are at war with the arabs , calling it World War Three. They always point to 9/11 and the attacks in London and Spain . Then again we have to be careful not to stereotype , not all arabs are like that savage Bin Laden and I have heard from more then one person that all this talk of a war between civilizations is being pushed like the last Iraq war was by the israel lobby to get more support for israel . Including using American soldiers to fight israel's enemies .I think we should just fight who we have to and win but not get played by traitors and false friends .

[mogadishu]

if rush said it it's guaranteed to be untrue.

[Lena]

Your right there, how can anyone take the word of a admitted dope fiend ?

[lowery]

If you want proof that western civilization is at war with Islam, you don't have to take the words of anyone but the Muslims themselves. The war was declared and is being carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, but the less fanatical, relatively secular Muslims are complicit by their passivity and silence as their religion is hijacked by its most extreme elements.

The Koran dictates that Islam is perpetually in tension with and affirmatively hostile to all other religions. In direct proportion to their piety, religious Muslims in Europe have segregated themselves both geographically and culturally. They purposely do not assimilate and are hostile to the non-Muslim majorities in those countries. As evidenced by video and audio tapes, Muslim clerics in European mosques have been inciting and encouraging this hostility for years.

When these hostile, segregated minorities reach a critical mass, the smallest spark will ignite them. The London bombings are one example, the mass violence in France another. What is happening in France will eventually happen in every European country with a significant Muslim minority, like Germany, Belgium and Holland. It may not be as bad as what is happening in France, but it will happen. And it will affect each country profoundly.

[mogadishu]

look for the puppetmasters. that's all i'll say.

[Lena]

If you want proof that western civilization is at war with Islam, you don't have to take the words of anyone but the Muslims themselves. The war was declared and is being carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, but the less fanatical, relatively secular Muslims are complicit by their passivity and silence as their religion is hijacked by its most extreme elements.

The Koran dictates that Islam is perpetually in tension with and affirmatively hostile to all other religions. In direct proportion to their piety, religious Muslims in Europe have segregated themselves both geographically and culturally. They purposely do not assimilate and are hostile to the non-Muslim majorities in those countries. As evidenced by video and audio tapes, Muslim clerics in European mosques have been inciting and encouraging this hostility for years.

When these hostile, segregated minorities reach a critical mass, the smallest spark will ignite them. The London bombings are one example, the mass violence in France another. What is happening in France will eventually happen in every European country with a significant Muslim minority, like Germany, Belgium and Holland. It may not be as bad as what is happening in France, but it will happen. And it will affect each country profoundly.

There's trouble with that Bin Laden and his bunch along with some others too but war with all moslems ? Huh ? Doesn't look like that to me .Overeacting is as bad as underreacting and while there's a war with the terrorists even I know it's not with al the moslems . Besides who wants to fear and hate a whole other group ?

Also whenever I see people talking about how other religions are bad and hostile I ignore them . Reminds me too much of a dead granddaddy who was in the klan . He'd babble all about the Catholic and jewish religions as having teachings that made them the enemy of all white Christians . Ofcourse he really didn't know about those religions . Like alot of the anti-Moslem stuff I see here he got it all from other people who were plain ignorant and trying to stir up hate . He could go on about the blacks having features that made them bad too ( hee hee he lived long enough to see me and several of his other granddaughters have black bf's ) Bet if old granddaddy Jimmy was around today he'd be all worked up about moslems and spouting off about them too..............

[lowery]

If you want proof that western civilization is at war with Islam, you don't have to take the words of anyone but the Muslims themselves. The war was declared and is being carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, but the less fanatical, relatively secular Muslims are complicit by their passivity and silence as their religion is hijacked by its most extreme elements.

The Koran dictates that Islam is perpetually in tension with and affirmatively hostile to all other religions. In direct proportion to their piety, religious Muslims in Europe have segregated themselves both geographically and culturally. They purposely do not assimilate and are hostile to the non-Muslim majorities in those countries. As evidenced by video and audio tapes, Muslim clerics in European mosques have been inciting and encouraging this hostility for years.

When these hostile, segregated minorities reach a critical mass, the smallest spark will ignite them. The London bombings are one example, the mass violence in France another. What is happening in France will eventually happen in every European country with a significant Muslim minority, like Germany, Belgium and Holland. It may not be as bad as what is happening in France, but it will happen. And it will affect each country profoundly.

There's trouble with that Bin Laden and his bunch along with some others too but war with all moslems ? Huh ? Doesn't look like that to me .Overeacting is as bad as underreacting and while there's a war with the terrorists even I know it's not with al the moslems . Besides who wants to fear and hate a whole other group ?

Also whenever I see people talking about how other religions are bad and hostile I ignore them . Reminds me too much of a dead granddaddy who was in the klan . He'd babble all about the Catholic and jewish religions as having teachings that made them the enemy of all white Christians . Ofcourse he really didn't know about those religions . Like alot of the anti-Moslem stuff I see here he got it all from other people who were plain ignorant and trying to stir up hate . He could go on about the blacks having features that made them bad too ( hee hee he lived long enough to see me and several of his other granddaughters have black bf's ) Bet if old granddaddy Jimmy was around today he'd be all worked up about moslems and spouting off about them too..............

Did you read the second sentence in the first paragraph of my post you quoted above? If so, you obviously did not comprehend it if you compare me to your grandfather who was in the KKK.

Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know what the Koran is? Have you ever read a single word of the Koran? Have you ever been to an Islamic country? Have you ever even met a Muslim? Do you have a clue about the socioeconomic and demographic circumstances of Muslim minorities in Western European countries? I would bet your (honest) answer to every question is "no."

If you disagree with my opinions, show how they are misguided by reasoned points based on relevant facts, not by calling me ignorant based on your grandfather's membership in the Klan. It is unseemly when an ignorant person accuses someone else of ignorance simply because the ignorant accuser is too ignorant to assess the validity of the other person's statements.

You ask rhetorically, "Besides who wants to fear and hate a whole other group?" Does this apply to the Ku Klux Klan or to neo-Nazis? Are such "whole other groups" not deserving of fear if not hatred? To be clear, I am not comparing Muslims to the KKK or to Nazis; I am just making the point that there do exist "whole other groups" which merit fear if not hatred by open-minded, intelligent people tolerant of diversity and pluralism.

By the way, none of my relatives were in the KKK. They were too busy being oppressed by Muslims because they were Christians living in a country where the majority are Muslim.

[Lena]

I can't speak for all the moslems . There are some terrorists who are out to kill Americans and people in the UK but thats not all moslems .The terrorists are the ones like the klan and nazis . Hating all moslems as a result wud be wrong since it wud be nothing more then bigotry and also help the terrorists get new members . Some civilians at the defense department more loyal to israel then America got us in the war in iraq for israel and have plans for wars with syria and iran for israel . Does that mean all the jews are bad ? NO !. Some catholic priests molested alota kids but does that mean all Catholic priests and Catholics are bad ? NO !Lets use our heads and fiight the bad guys not turn into bigots against a whole religion .