Don't think any terrorist wud care or even believe she was no longer a spy .Or any government that locked up people she had dealings with .
Turner ? Thats ancient history , am concerned with crime now .And can't believe he was trying to punish /get someone killed like in this case............
Right, Lena. To use your own political secrets in order to punish your own people is the ultimate of the double-cross. It is proof of what we have been saying all along: republicans are back-stabbers, bushwackers and heartless, double-dealing swindlers. There is no defending them. I am hoping that this next election puts the republicans out of business permanently. Certainly the world now knows what liars, self-serving cheats they are.
Plame was not a covert CIA operative when her identity was disclosed. There is no suggestion, much less any evidence, that anyone was "killed/locked up" as a result of the disclosure.
When Jimmy Carter's CIA Chief Stansfield Turner publicly disclosed the names of CIA bureau chiefs serving abroad, two of those whose names he disclosed were executed shortly thereafter. Yet Democrats did not demand that Turner be prosecuted -- perhaps because Turner was a Democrat.
It's only "ancient history" when Democrats were guilty of unquestionble misdeeds with actual deadly consequences.
Is all U.S. Supreme Court precedent irrelevant "ancient history" too?
Plame was not a covert CIA operative when her identity was disclosed. There is no suggestion, much less any evidence, that anyone was "killed/locked up" as a result of the disclosure.
When Jimmy Carter's CIA Chief Stansfield Turner publicly disclosed the names of CIA bureau chiefs serving abroad, two of those whose names he disclosed were executed shortly thereafter. Yet Democrats did not demand that Turner be prosecuted -- perhaps because Turner was a Democrat.
It's only "ancient history" when Democrats were guilty of unquestionble misdeeds with actual deadly consequences.
Is all U.S. Supreme Court precedent irrelevant "ancient history" too?
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Plame was not a covert CIA operative when her identity was disclosed. There is no suggestion, much less any evidence, that anyone was "killed/locked up" as a result of the disclosure.
You have repeated this three times, and no one is buying it. It's weak, myron. Never before in the history of the US has the revelation of a spy been carried out as an act of internal vengeance. We get the sense that Karl Rove would have given al-Qaeda our battle plans if the effect could discredit a political opponent. That’s how bad that was. There is such a thing as being an American…something that republicans have never understood.
Plame was not a covert CIA operative when her identity was disclosed. There is no suggestion, much less any evidence, that anyone was "killed/locked up" as a result of the disclosure.
When Jimmy Carter's CIA Chief Stansfield Turner publicly disclosed the names of CIA bureau chiefs serving abroad, two of those whose names he disclosed were executed shortly thereafter. Yet Democrats did not demand that Turner be prosecuted -- perhaps because Turner was a Democrat.
It's only "ancient history" when Democrats were guilty of unquestionble misdeeds with actual deadly consequences.
Is all U.S. Supreme Court precedent irrelevant "ancient history" too?
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Plame was not a covert CIA operative when her identity was disclosed. There is no suggestion, much less any evidence, that anyone was "killed/locked up" as a result of the disclosure.
You have repeated this three times, and no one is buying it. It's weak, myron. Never before in the history of the US has the revelation of a spy been carried out as an act of internal vengeance. We get the sense that Karl Rove would have given al-Qaeda our battle plans if the effect could discredit a political opponent. That’s how bad that was. There is such a thing as being an American…something that republicans have never understood.
That "no one is buying it" does not make my statements false; it does make whoever is not "buying it" ignorant.
It is an incontrovertible fact that the applicable governing law protects a CIA employee's identity from public disclosure only if the CIA employee served abroad as a covert operative within five years of the public disclosure.
It is an incontrovertible fact that Valerie Plame had not served abroad as a covert CIA operative within five years of the public disclosure of her identity.
Consequently, it is an incontrovertible fact that public disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity did not violate any law.
This is why Richard Armitage, Colin Powell's underling at the State Department who admittedly was the first Administration official to publicly disclose Plame's identity (which he admittedly did not tell anyone in the White House), was never charged with any crime.
This is why no one was charged with any crime for publicly disclosing Valerie Plame's identity: the public disclosure was totally legal.
The only person charged was Scooter Libby, and that was for perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with the investigation of the legal disclosure of Plame's identity.
The above are the incontrovertible facts, regardless whether anyone is "buying it" in this thread.
That "no one is buying it" does not make my statements false; it does make whoever is not "buying it" ignorant.
It is an incontrovertible fact that the applicable governing law protects a CIA employee's identity from public disclosure only if the CIA employee served abroad as a covert operative within five years of the public disclosure.
It is an incontrovertible fact that Valerie Plame had not served abroad as a covert CIA operative within five years of the public disclosure of her identity.
Consequently, it is an incontrovertible fact that public disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity did not violate any law.
This is why Richard Armitage, Colin Powell's underling at the State Department who admittedly was the first Administration official to publicly disclose Plame's identity (which he admittedly did not tell anyone in the White House), was never charged with any crime.
This is why no one was charged with any crime for publicly disclosing Valerie Plame's identity: the public disclosure was totally legal.
The only person charged was Scooter Libby, and that was for perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with the investigation of the legal disclosure of Plame's identity.
The above are the incontrovertible facts, regardless whether anyone is "buying it" in this thread.
The world will little note, nor long remember the minutia you recite. What they will remember is the willingness of republicans to sell down the river their own people. Rarely, are such open and obvious traitors revealed so unmistakably.
This, finally, has revealed republicans for what they are…so self-interested that they are willing to sell America down the river for their own gain. Of course, we had hints of this what with Iraq and Katrina, Halliburton and rising oil profits, but rarely do we have such an open revelation as we have with Karl Rove and Dick Cheney in the Valerie Plame affair. The republicans, as a party, will die in this next election, and I hope it will be a permanent death.
That "no one is buying it" does not make my statements false; it does make whoever is not "buying it" ignorant.
It is an incontrovertible fact that the applicable governing law protects a CIA employee's identity from public disclosure only if the CIA employee served abroad as a covert operative within five years of the public disclosure.
It is an incontrovertible fact that Valerie Plame had not served abroad as a covert CIA operative within five years of the public disclosure of her identity.
Consequently, it is an incontrovertible fact that public disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity did not violate any law.
This is why Richard Armitage, Colin Powell's underling at the State Department who admittedly was the first Administration official to publicly disclose Plame's identity (which he admittedly did not tell anyone in the White House), was never charged with any crime.
This is why no one was charged with any crime for publicly disclosing Valerie Plame's identity: the public disclosure was totally legal.
The only person charged was Scooter Libby, and that was for perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with the investigation of the legal disclosure of Plame's identity.
The above are the incontrovertible facts, regardless whether anyone is "buying it" in this thread.
The world will little note, nor long remember the minutia you recite. What they will remember is the willingness of republicans to sell down the river their own people. Rarely, are such open and obvious traitors revealed so unmistakably.
This, finally, has revealed republicans for what they are…so self-interested that they are willing to sell America down the river for their own gain. Of course, we had hints of this what with Iraq and Katrina, Halliburton and rising oil profits, but rarely do we have such an open revelation as we have with Karl Rove and Dick Cheney in the Valerie Plame affair. The republicans, as a party, will die in this next election, and I hope it will be a permanent death.
Neither the facts nor the law nor the U.S. Constitution nor the truth impede the rabid demagoguery of radical leftist Democrats, who openly express their fervent desire that America become a one-party state of totalitarian Democrats unaccountable to the American people because no competing philosophy is permitted to exist.
Neither the facts nor the law nor the U.S. Constitution nor the truth impede the rabid demagoguery of radical leftist Democrats, who openly express their fervent desire that America become a one-party state of totalitarian Democrats unaccountable to the American people because no competing philosophy is permitted to exist.
Well, I guess we’ve got your attention. “Rabid demagoguery?” “One-party?” Does anybody else think this was my message? I think not.
You, a conservative, neocon republican, have the audacity to accuse us of demagoguery? You guys have transferred America from a Constitutional Democracy into a secretive, anti-constitutional, lying, deceitful, torture chamber, war-mongering dictatorship…and you think I quiver from your accusation of demagoguery? I laugh at your accusations. We are, just now, planning how we can prosecute your republican criminal element. Trust me, we will put our best effort toward this goal when we take over in 2009. Impeachment is only one way of seeking justice; we also have many, many laws that describe the criminality of the actions of Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Libby and your darling, GWB. Stay tuned.
Ivan Diederhoff FemaleFirst Grand Master (1000+ Posts)
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted?
myron myron wrote:
Ivan Diederhoff wrote:
myron myron wrote:
Ivan Diederhoff wrote:
myron myron wrote:
Cambridge wrote:
Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought.
An ignorant, idiotic "thought" unbefitting a purportedly educated American.
I'm sorry myron, I have to disagree with you here. this administration has done more to stifle the people than any other. there is no way clinton can blamed (which conservatives just love doing) for the mess this country is in. countries that used to be our allies don't want much to do with us. we are handing out money to nations that want to kill us. while our own are being put out of their homes, can't afford medical care, and have to decide whether to pay a car payment to look for work that pays a fraction of the pay of the job that just got sent to a third world labor maket or put food on the table or buy their children a holdiay gift. GWB and his people have raped and violated us and the Constitution in every way possible. That is treason.
I disagree that the country is a "mess."
And kindly cite a single case where what the Bush Administration has done has been held to constitute "treason."
Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines treason as 1 : violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence
So, by outing CIA operatives, creating a war on lies and falsehoods presented to the world by Colin Powell on television, wire taps, and the ongoing obliteration of rights and liberties of the people, I'd say there are plenty of instances where they should tried. But all of it is subjective. I know there are a lot more people out there that agree with my line of thinking, considering GWB's approval rating. All public appearances are behind closed doors, candidates don't want to be seen in public with him. The GOP is distancing senatorial and congressional candidates so they are not labeled another bush. Sorry, but this admisitration really has hurt not only the USA, but our friends and allies around the world.
Merriam-Webster Dictionary does not give the legal definition of treason under American law.
but the thing is, not everyone is a legal eagle. We have to go by what we know. What we know is that we have been betrayed
Valerie Plame was not a CIA "operative" when her identity was disclosed.
In modern history, an American President's international popularity is inversely proportional to his effectiveness in the job functions of President.
Ronald Reagan, who caused the disintegration of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact and won the Cold War, was unpopular internationally (but is now hugely popular in the free Eastern European countries).
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, both foreign policy failures, were popular internationally.
Hmm, Ronald Reagan. The Great "Orator," doesn't deserve the praise he gets either. Where is it written that shareholder profit should come first and foremost over the well being of the people? "We the people, in order to found a more perfect union...." those words still stir emotions in people that get screwed in the name of profit every day.
The democrats aren't perfect, but the idea behind that party was to look out for the common man. Clinton strayed from the pure faith with NAFTA.
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“Rabid demagoguery?” “One-party?” Does anybody else think this was my message? I think not.
