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Cambridge
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 Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: Who should be prosecuted? |
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We all know what we are talking about. The US has become an invader, a torturer and a country dedicated to the breach of civil, human and personal rights. The US has become the worst of all violators of civility and decency. So, how do we deal with this? Here is an administration that has come along and brought with it the most heinous crimes in the history of history. But this is the USA, the most powerful of the most powerful of nations on earth. Do we ignore it?
If we do, we dedicate ourselves to the idea that the rule of law can be bent to whatever lady is out there. We say, in effect, that power, not law, is the structure of reality. We say, if you are strong enough, deceitful enough and sufficiently untrustworthy, you can own modernity. Is that what you want? Perhaps it is time to make a statement. Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought. |
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coolman
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted? |
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| Cambridge wrote: |
| Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought. |
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Bushwalker
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted? |
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| coolman wrote: |
| Cambridge wrote: |
| Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought. |
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plus Condo',
plus those CIA and military intelligence people who withheld info', to suit their masters' personal and business agendas,
plus Tony Blair and John Howard,
plus those Oil company bosses who asked for this little adventure in the first place...
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Ivan Diederhoff
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I live in the USA and think this administration and the big oil CEO are guilty of treason. They should be tried and convicted.
edit, I would also like to see people like Karl Rove added to the list. |
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Cambridge
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Oh, Ivan...there are many who should be added to the list. I agree
When I started this post I was just reacting to a German court that had indicted Rumsfeld (Germany has a law that allows prosecution of anyone in the world for crimes against humanity). But then I got to thinking. The Rome Accord (of which the US is not a signatory) can indict anyone who is an international criminal.
There is no question but that the current administration is the worst the US has to offer, or has ever offered, but that it is criminal in mind and character. How do we feel about criminals? Do we just give them the death penalty because they're Black and poor. Or do we react to anyone who breaks the laws of decency and civility? I say the latter.
Anyone is free to agree, disagree or amend what I've said. |
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Bushwalker
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Ivan Diederhoff wrote: |
I live in the USA and think this administration and the big oil CEO are guilty of treason. They should be tried and convicted.
edit, I would also like to see people like Karl Rove added to the list. |
Rove, Libby and the rest of those traitorous dogs have been working against the American people - and the West at large, which includes the rest of us - from year dot.
They should be treated over there like they would be elsewhere in the world - take them out the back and shoot them like the rabid treasonous mongrels they are..
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myron myron
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted? |
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| Cambridge wrote: |
Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought.
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An ignorant, idiotic "thought" unbefitting a purportedly educated American.  |
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Lena
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted? |
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[quote="myron myron"]
| Cambridge wrote: |
Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought.
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I agree and especially the neocons/jonathan pollards |
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Ivan Diederhoff
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted? |
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| myron myron wrote: |
| Cambridge wrote: |
Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought.
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An ignorant, idiotic "thought" unbefitting a purportedly educated American. |
I'm sorry myron, I have to disagree with you here. this administration has done more to stifle the people than any other. there is no way clinton can blamed (which conservatives just love doing) for the mess this country is in. countries that used to be our allies don't want much to do with us. we are handing out money to nations that want to kill us. while our own are being put out of their homes, can't afford medical care, and have to decide whether to pay a car payment to look for work that pays a fraction of the pay of the job that just got sent to a third world labor maket or put food on the table or buy their children a holdiay gift. GWB and his people have raped and violated us and the Constitution in every way possible. That is treason. |
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myron myron
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted? |
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| Ivan Diederhoff wrote: |
| myron myron wrote: |
| Cambridge wrote: |
Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought.
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An ignorant, idiotic "thought" unbefitting a purportedly educated American.
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I'm sorry myron, I have to disagree with you here. this administration has done more to stifle the people than any other. there is no way clinton can blamed (which conservatives just love doing) for the mess this country is in. countries that used to be our allies don't want much to do with us. we are handing out money to nations that want to kill us. while our own are being put out of their homes, can't afford medical care, and have to decide whether to pay a car payment to look for work that pays a fraction of the pay of the job that just got sent to a third world labor maket or put food on the table or buy their children a holdiay gift. GWB and his people have raped and violated us and the Constitution in every way possible. That is treason.
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I disagree that the country is a "mess."
And kindly cite a single case where what the Bush Administration has done has been held to constitute "treason." |
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Ivan Diederhoff
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted? |
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| myron myron wrote: |
| Ivan Diederhoff wrote: |
| myron myron wrote: |
| Cambridge wrote: |
Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought.
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An ignorant, idiotic "thought" unbefitting a purportedly educated American.
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I'm sorry myron, I have to disagree with you here. this administration has done more to stifle the people than any other. there is no way clinton can blamed (which conservatives just love doing) for the mess this country is in. countries that used to be our allies don't want much to do with us. we are handing out money to nations that want to kill us. while our own are being put out of their homes, can't afford medical care, and have to decide whether to pay a car payment to look for work that pays a fraction of the pay of the job that just got sent to a third world labor maket or put food on the table or buy their children a holdiay gift. GWB and his people have raped and violated us and the Constitution in every way possible. That is treason.
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I disagree that the country is a "mess."
And kindly cite a single case where what the Bush Administration has done has been held to constitute "treason." |
Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines treason as 1 : violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence
So, by outing CIA operatives, creating a war on lies and falsehoods presented to the world by Colin Powell on television, wire taps, and the ongoing obliteration of rights and liberties of the people, I'd say there are plenty of instances where they should tried. But all of it is subjective. I know there are a lot more people out there that agree with my line of thinking, considering GWB's approval rating. All public appearances are behind closed doors, candidates don't want to be seen in public with him. The GOP is distancing senatorial and congressional candidates so they are not labeled another bush. Sorry, but this admisitration really has hurt not only the USA, but our friends and allies around the world. |
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myron myron
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Who should be prosecuted? |
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| Ivan Diederhoff wrote: |
| myron myron wrote: |
| Ivan Diederhoff wrote: |
| myron myron wrote: |
| Cambridge wrote: |
Perhaps it is time to prosecute GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Just a thought.
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An ignorant, idiotic "thought" unbefitting a purportedly educated American.
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I'm sorry myron, I have to disagree with you here. this administration has done more to stifle the people than any other. there is no way clinton can blamed (which conservatives just love doing) for the mess this country is in. countries that used to be our allies don't want much to do with us. we are handing out money to nations that want to kill us. while our own are being put out of their homes, can't afford medical care, and have to decide whether to pay a car payment to look for work that pays a fraction of the pay of the job that just got sent to a third world labor maket or put food on the table or buy their children a holdiay gift. GWB and his people have raped and violated us and the Constitution in every way possible. That is treason.
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I disagree that the country is a "mess."
And kindly cite a single case where what the Bush Administration has done has been held to constitute "treason."
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Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines treason as 1 : violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence
So, by outing CIA operatives, creating a war on lies and falsehoods presented to the world by Colin Powell on television, wire taps, and the ongoing obliteration of rights and liberties of the people, I'd say there are plenty of instances where they should tried. But all of it is subjective. I know there are a lot more people out there that agree with my line of thinking, considering GWB's approval rating. All public appearances are behind closed doors, candidates don't want to be seen in public with him. The GOP is distancing senatorial and congressional candidates so they are not labeled another bush. Sorry, but this admisitration really has hurt not only the USA, but our friends and allies around the world.
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Merriam-Webster Dictionary does not give the legal definition of treason under American law.
Valerie Plame was not a CIA "operative" when her identity was disclosed.
In modern history, an American President's international popularity is inversely proportional to his effectiveness in the job functions of President.
Ronald Reagan, who caused the disintegration of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact and won the Cold War, was unpopular internationally (but is now hugely popular in the free Eastern European countries).
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, both foreign policy failures, were popular internationally. |
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Lena
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| little georgey and the jonathan pollards threw Valerie Planme and her whole family to the wolves when they outted her.Maybe also ruined all the contacts she made as a spy and even got some killed /locked up . |
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myron myron
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| Lena wrote: |
little georgey and the jonathan pollards threw Valerie Planme and her whole family to the wolves when they outted her.Maybe also ruined all the contacts she made as a spy and even got some killed /locked up .
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Plame was not a covert CIA operative when her identity was disclosed. There is no suggestion, much less any evidence, that anyone was "killed/locked up" as a result of the disclosure.
When Jimmy Carter's CIA Chief Stansfield Turner publicly disclosed the names of CIA bureau chiefs serving abroad, two of those whose names he disclosed were executed shortly thereafter. Yet Democrats did not demand that Turner be prosecuted -- perhaps because Turner was a Democrat. |
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Lena
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Don't think any terrorist wud care or even believe she was no longer a spy .Or any government that locked up people she had dealings with .
Turner ? Thats ancient history , am concerned with crime now .And can't believe he was trying to punish /get someone killed like in this case............ |
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