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| She not a socialist. |
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Fred75
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 Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Is Hillary a socialist? |
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| Socialism refers to the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[1] This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by collective ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments throughout history, due to this, socialism has been identified with communism mainly because the distribution of wealth is controlled as a whole and not individually. |
And is not taxing everyone so the poor can have free healthcare a SOCIALIST agenda? |
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DanMc
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| And is not taxing everyone so the poor can have free healthcare a SOCIALIST agenda? |
Yes, and a good idea too.
I doubt that Hillary Clinton is a socialist though. |
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Fred75
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| DanMc wrote: |
Fred75 wrote
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| And is not taxing everyone so the poor can have free healthcare a SOCIALIST agenda? |
Yes, and a good idea too.
I doubt that Hillary Clinton is a socialist though. |
It SOUNDS like a good idea.
But the reality of it is that you create a tax burden that cripples its citizens.
A tax burden that only gets larger and larger.
A society of freeloaders that live off the sweat of others.
A nation of children instead of independent MEN.
Women that can have children with no fathers in the home (broken homes).
Fraud to get money.
California & New York's health care and fraud has those states burdened with a huge debt. |
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Bushwalker
FemaleFirst Grand Master (1000+ Posts)
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: Moral bankruptcy... |
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| Fred75 wrote: |
| DanMc wrote: |
Fred75 wrote
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| And is not taxing everyone so the poor can have free healthcare a SOCIALIST agenda? |
Yes, and a good idea too.
I doubt that Hillary Clinton is a socialist though. |
It SOUNDS like a good idea.
But the reality of it is that you create a tax burden that cripples its citizens.
A tax burden that only gets larger and larger.
A society of freeloaders that live off the sweat of others.
A nation of children instead of independent MEN.
Women that can have children with no fathers in the home (broken homes).
Fraud to get money.
California & New York's health care and fraud has those states burdened with a huge debt. |
Nonsense, Fred...
Out here in the real worldworld it is rampant military spending - and NOT socialised health care nor education systems - that eventually bankrupts countries.
It was their excessive military spending - trying to match the USA - that eventually crippled the USSR. Modern day Russia and the Ukraine both still maintain their socialised education, health and pensions systems, despite now being capitalist countries..
Australia, Britain, France, Sweden, Germany and Canada have nationalised healthcare and education systems {that were still maintained - even if modified - when under conservative governments..}, that DON'T cripple our economies - why should it be so different for the USA ???
Why is it that hawks like you never complain about unbridled and excessive military spending, nor unjustified invasions of other countries ?? 
As for California, it is still capable of standing alone as the sixth largest economy in the world - if it were considered independantly of the rest of the USA... California still has the highest concentration of wealth on the planet, despite the general malaise in the USA as a whole..
How much of your perceived problems in California and New York, might actually be because of their counter-acting the neglect of your Federal government, rather than any simple largesse on the individual state's part ? |
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Fred75
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Moral bankruptcy... |
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| Bushwalker wrote: |
| Fred75 wrote: |
| DanMc wrote: |
Fred75 wrote
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| And is not taxing everyone so the poor can have free healthcare a SOCIALIST agenda? |
Yes, and a good idea too.
I doubt that Hillary Clinton is a socialist though. |
It SOUNDS like a good idea.
But the reality of it is that you create a tax burden that cripples its citizens.
A tax burden that only gets larger and larger.
A society of freeloaders that live off the sweat of others.
A nation of children instead of independent MEN.
Women that can have children with no fathers in the home (broken homes).
Fraud to get money.
California & New York's health care and fraud has those states burdened with a huge debt. |
Nonsense, Fred...
Out here in the real worldworld it is rampant military spending - and NOT socialised health care nor education systems - that eventually bankrupts countries.
It was their excessive military spending - trying to match the USA - that eventually crippled the USSR. Modern day Russia and the Ukraine both still maintain their socialised education, health and pensions systems, despite now being capitalist countries..
Australia, Britain, France, Sweden, Germany and Canada have nationalised healthcare and education systems {that were still maintained - even if modified - when under conservative governments..}, that DON'T cripple our economies - why should it be so different for the USA ???
Why is it that hawks like you never complain about unbridled and excessive military spending, nor unjustified invasions of other countries ??
As for California, it is still capable of standing alone as the sixth largest economy in the world - if it were considered independantly of the rest of the USA... California still has the highest concentration of wealth on the planet, despite the general malaise in the USA as a whole..
How much of your perceived problems in California and New York, might actually be because of their counter-acting the neglect of your Federal government, rather than any simple largesse on the individual state's part ? |
It's quit simple really...
It all has to end up bankrupting ones country.
because as more and more become reliant on a free ride more and more join the free ride.
it's why Britain is thinking of making unwed mothers go back to work!!!! Too many of them are getting a free ride and WORK is the only tool the government has in it's arsenal to stop more women from spreading heir legs and popping out more kids.
More and more people are becoming dependent.
That WILL get so big that the working man will be taxed to death!
Or the government bankrupts itself over the growing population of moochers. |
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Bobin
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Moral bankruptcy... |
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| Fred75 wrote: |
More and more people are becoming dependent.
That WILL get so big that the working man will be taxed to death!
Or the government bankrupts itself over the growing population of moochers. |
Alexander Tyler said in 1776
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse [benefits] from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years' 'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage " |
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Fred75
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Moral bankruptcy... |
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| Bobin wrote: |
| Fred75 wrote: |
More and more people are becoming dependent.
That WILL get so big that the working man will be taxed to death!
Or the government bankrupts itself over the growing population of moochers. |
Alexander Tyler said in 1776
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse [benefits] from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years' 'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage " |
Kudos Bobin!
Thank you. |
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Bobin
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I think we are right about at number 8.
tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax |
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Bushwalker
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Fraud in America... |
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The biggest source of fraud in America's health system comes not from the patients, but from the supply side : principally the medical funds, HMOs and Private hospital operators; oh, and not forgetting over-servicing from the less ethical members of the medical profession...
The USA has the most expensive medical costs in the known universe - a day in hospital over there is more than double the price of an equivalent service here in Oz..
Have a look on travel insurance sites, and the USA is in the top bracket when it comes to extortionate ripoffs with such expenses.
The main source of propaganda against both nationalised and socialised health services comes from the health funds and HMOs themselves - no surprises there, as they only seem to exist to make more and more profits.
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Cambridge
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Moral bankruptcy... |
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| Bobin wrote: |
| Fred75 wrote: |
More and more people are becoming dependent.
That WILL get so big that the working man will be taxed to death!
Or the government bankrupts itself over the growing population of moochers. |
Alexander Tyler said in 1776
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse [benefits] from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years' 'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage " |
And all this has what to do with the Muslim American war? Don’t tell me.
Alcibiades, at the Parthenon, entices the idiot Greeks to embark upon a reckless invasion of Syracuse. He is trying to tell them how much it will cost and how much it will ruin their economy. But they cheer on and on, thinking he is meaning to glorify the ability of Athens to produce the war machine that can accomplish this...sounds a little like myron. That was indeed the demise of the Greek civilization, according to Thucydides.
I trust this is your point, Bobin
Sound like GWB and the liar Cheney? Or the deceitful Rumsfeld? You need to expand your point, Bobin |
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