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noodles
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my oldest is going on his first date soon. I sure hope I taught him to be a dog. . . maybe I should have reminded him one more time.  |
I take it then that you'd be equally happy for lad to treat your daughter as such? |
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coolman
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| it was tongue-in-cheek, noodles. |
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noodles
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| it was tongue-in-cheek, noodles. |
sorry coolman  |
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coolman
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| noodles wrote: |
| coolman wrote: |
| it was tongue-in-cheek, noodles. |
sorry coolman |
no problem. By the way, my daughter will get the same sex talk I gave my son. |
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Fred75
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| noodles wrote: |
[quote="fred75"So then.. your justification that anyone can raise a child lovingly is because there are bad parents out there?
It wasnt a justification it was fact. im saying that good parents are good needed and worthwhile whatever the background - but then you know thats what i mean 
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A FACT that you implied was reason enough to ignore the needs of the child.
Let's face it... you USED the fact to substantiate your position that a child has no need for a mother and father. You USED it to show that the child only needs love from whatever is better than crap parents.
Well... that's crap logic.
Good logic is DEMANDING GOOD MOTHERS AND FATHERS living in the same house raising the child together.
Not your crap that whoever beats the child less is the better parent. |
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Fred75
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| coolman wrote: |
| noodles wrote: |
| coolman wrote: |
| it was tongue-in-cheek, noodles. |
sorry coolman |
no problem. By the way, my daughter will get the same sex talk I gave my son. |
And what talk is that?
Are you going to tell her th REAL truth as to why YOU dated girls when you were young?
Because why she is going to date is probably not the same as yours was then!  |
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noodles
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Fred75 wrote: |
| noodles wrote: |
[quote="fred75"So then.. your justification that anyone can raise a child lovingly is because there are bad parents out there?
It wasnt a justification it was fact. im saying that good parents are good needed and worthwhile whatever the background - but then you know thats what i mean
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A FACT that you implied was reason enough to ignore the needs of the child.
Let's face it... you USED the fact to substantiate your position that a child has no need for a mother and father. You USED it to show that the child only needs love from whatever is better than crap parents.
Well... that's crap logic.
Good logic is DEMANDING GOOD MOTHERS AND FATHERS living in the same house raising the child together.
Not your crap that whoever beats the child less is the better parent. |
 It would be really refreshing if someting other than this was to come from you. |
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coolman
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Fred75 wrote: |
| coolman wrote: |
no problem. By the way, my daughter will get the same sex talk I gave my son. |
And what talk is that?
Are you going to tell her th REAL truth as to why YOU dated girls when you were young?
Because why she is going to date is probably not the same as yours was then! |
I think I've already told you about "the talk" I've already had with my son, but probably not all of it.
All the kids will get a variation of the same talk:
1. you are too young.
2. if you do it anyway, use protection
3. pleasuring yourself is normal and nothing to be ashamed of
4. only with explicit consent from both parties
He then asked what I thought about premarital sex. Answer: get as much as possible under the previously stated conditions.
Hell, do I want him to feel guilty about sex? No. My daughter is going on the pill "for cramps" when she turns 13 and will get the exact same talk. |
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ZiaAries
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hell, do I want him to feel guilty about sex? No. My daughter is going on the pill "for cramps" when she turns 13 and will get the exact same talk. |
Not so cool, man. |
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Fred75
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| noodles wrote: |
| Fred75 wrote: |
| noodles wrote: |
[quote="fred75"So then.. your justification that anyone can raise a child lovingly is because there are bad parents out there?
It wasnt a justification it was fact. im saying that good parents are good needed and worthwhile whatever the background - but then you know thats what i mean
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A FACT that you implied was reason enough to ignore the needs of the child.
Let's face it... you USED the fact to substantiate your position that a child has no need for a mother and father. You USED it to show that the child only needs love from whatever is better than crap parents.
Well... that's crap logic.
Good logic is DEMANDING GOOD MOTHERS AND FATHERS living in the same house raising the child together.
Not your crap that whoever beats the child less is the better parent. |
It would be really refreshing if someting other than this was to come from you. |
Well... Our debate over this some time ago was no different.
There too... you used bad parents to justify your position!
So until you get a good example to compare too... don't expect different!  |
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noodles
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Fred75 wrote: |
| noodles wrote: |
| Fred75 wrote: |
| noodles wrote: |
[quote="fred75"So then.. your justification that anyone can raise a child lovingly is because there are bad parents out there?
It wasnt a justification it was fact. im saying that good parents are good needed and worthwhile whatever the background - but then you know thats what i mean
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A FACT that you implied was reason enough to ignore the needs of the child.
Let's face it... you USED the fact to substantiate your position that a child has no need for a mother and father. You USED it to show that the child only needs love from whatever is better than crap parents.
Well... that's crap logic.
Good logic is DEMANDING GOOD MOTHERS AND FATHERS living in the same house raising the child together.
Not your crap that whoever beats the child less is the better parent. |
It would be really refreshing if someting other than this was to come from you. |
Well... Our debate over this some time ago was no different.
There too... you used bad parents to justify your position!
So until you get a good example to compare too... don't expect different! |
I've given you great examples of good parenting , you just choose to ignore them casue they dont fit in your tiny box. |
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coolman
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ZiaAries wrote: |
| coolman wrote: |
Hell, do I want him to feel guilty about sex? No. My daughter is going on the pill "for cramps" when she turns 13 and will get the exact same talk. |
Not so cool, man. |
I simply don't live in lala land. |
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noodles
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| coolman wrote: |
| ZiaAries wrote: |
| coolman wrote: |
Hell, do I want him to feel guilty about sex? No. My daughter is going on the pill "for cramps" when she turns 13 and will get the exact same talk. |
Not so cool, man. |
I simply don't live in lala land. |
I agree with you. Whilst you can try and steer them away from it and hope that they're not going to experiment until a little older you can never know. I remember that age age and school was a sea of raging hormones. Kids were definitely experimenting at 13 even if it wasnt with penetrative sex.
Information and the knowledge they can come to you about such things (if they want) is really all you can do sometimes.
I think its much more dangerous to presume you know what your kids do and therefore presume such discussions dont need to take place.
I also think its a positive thing to mention exploring yourself. Many girls think they shouldnt thus attaching guilt to it. Letting them know its ok isnt a bad thing (no indepth discussion needed just that its ok)
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Fred75
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| noodles wrote: |
| Fred75 wrote: |
| noodles wrote: |
| Fred75 wrote: |
| noodles wrote: |
[quote="fred75"So then.. your justification that anyone can raise a child lovingly is because there are bad parents out there?
It wasnt a justification it was fact. im saying that good parents are good needed and worthwhile whatever the background - but then you know thats what i mean
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A FACT that you implied was reason enough to ignore the needs of the child.
Let's face it... you USED the fact to substantiate your position that a child has no need for a mother and father. You USED it to show that the child only needs love from whatever is better than crap parents.
Well... that's crap logic.
Good logic is DEMANDING GOOD MOTHERS AND FATHERS living in the same house raising the child together.
Not your crap that whoever beats the child less is the better parent. |
It would be really refreshing if someting other than this was to come from you. |
Well... Our debate over this some time ago was no different.
There too... you used bad parents to justify your position!
So until you get a good example to compare too... don't expect different! |
I've given you great examples of good parenting , you just choose to ignore them casue they dont fit in your tiny box. |
Oh ya!
Now I remember!
All the "parents" that looked better than the abusive/crap parents! |
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ZiaAries
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| coolman wrote: |
| ZiaAries wrote: |
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Hell, do I want him to feel guilty about sex? No. My daughter is going on the pill "for cramps" when she turns 13 and will get the exact same talk. |
Not so cool, man. |
I simply don't live in lala land. |
I sort of think you are. Cheating on spouses, putting a 13 year old on the pill. That's la la land. Perhaps you should read up on cervical and ovarian cancers before feeding a 13 year old BC pills. Oh well, we receive what we put out. I do think your children should have a fair shot at relationships and understand that it is far more than sex. OR you could just go spay and neuter them like you would a dog. Oh yeah.... they are humans. Don't under estimate kids. That can understand more than we give them credit for. |
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