In a proper atheist state, the only freedom that is removed is freedom of religion - because it is hateful, divisive and causes wars.
You remove the right to believe in a higher power you remove all other rights. PERIOD.
Because you are now removing the right to think independently.
The government now TELLS YOU WHAT TO THINK.
And again, religion is just a tool, and excuse, of those to GAIN material possessions and power.
Religion is just another form of politics to those men.
Don't blame the religion. Blame those that abused it for their own personal gain!
Just like men becoming priests, teachers and coach's to gain access to children to sexually abuse.
No, belief in mythology is the same as a mental disorder. We are curing the nation of an illness.
what does your post have to do with fascism.....Just another dig at Americans, eh?
It was in response to this "dig" at the British NHS, thats all.
My post was truthful and I stand by my words. The quotes from websites, you can say what you like about. I didnt write them.
But your "words" are misleading and betray ignorance of the American health care system and its problems.
The question is what are the legal requirements and procedures governing hospitals, i.e., what is the rule, not what happened in a specific unusual incident that does not reflect the way things are?
All American hospitals, private and public, are legally required to accept and to treat everyone brought in for emergency care to the extent of the hospital's physical capacity regardless whether the person has health insurance or ability to pay.
Once the private hospital has treated and stabilized the emergency, in certain instances the private hospital may not be legally required to admit a patient without medical insurance or ability to pay for non-emergency procedures or longer-term care that is available in local public hospitals, in which case the uninsured patient without ability to pay may be transferred to a public hospital.
Public hospitals are legally required to admit and to treat everyone for emergency, non-emergency and long-term care regardless of health insurance or ability to pay.
The health insurance/health care problem in America does not victimize the poor so much as it victimizes a segment of the middle class, namely people who work for themselves on a freelance or independent contractor basis or who work in temporary or part-time jobs. Unless you are doing quite well in freelance or independent contractor work, health insurance premiums are prohibitively high, especially for a family. Virtually all companies and firms that do provide health benefits provide them only for permanent full-time employees. Yet these people make too much money to qualify for Medicaid, under which the government covers medical bills.
In most of America, private hospitals are better than public hospitals for serious non-emergency procedures and long-term, life-threatening conditions (e.g., cancer). Private hospitals will admit for such procedures a destitute person who is on Medicaid because a large enough portion of their charges will definitely be paid by the government. The patients these private hospitals will turn down are those who make too much money to qualify for Medicaid, don't have health benefits through work, make too little to afford health insurance, and have no ability to pay.
A working class or middle class freelance worker or temporary or part-time employee cannot afford health insurance and makes too much money to qualify for Medicaid. These are the people who get screwed by not being able to access the best health care. There are many of them, but not anywhere close to the numbers you mention and they are not poor.
You are free to stand by your "words," even if they are misleading and inaccurately exaggerate a very real problem.
well I quoted from the website of the "Center on Budget and Policy Priorities" and other sites seem to back up those numbers of 47 million uninsured.
Quote:
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities is one of the nation’s premier policy organizations working at the federal and state levels on fiscal policy and public programs that affect low- and moderate-income families and individuals.
I just watched Michael Moores "Sicko" as well - thats pretty shocking stuff.
I do stand by my words - I am proud of our National Health Service.
And I do think your health care system is unfair.
So do Americans apparently otherwise why is it so high on the political agenda for the prospective Presidential candidates?
You can like him and want to do him, but don't respect him -- it demeans you, and I mean that as a compliment.
I deffo dont want to do him !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think he gives an alternative POV thats all. Many people think hes great. I just find his films interesting. Its a side of America people outside of America dont get to see.
Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 28713 Location: Kentucky , USA
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject:
I looked up More ont he www and he's almost a prophet
Saw how in ROGER AND ME he dissed GENRAL MOTORS but then they later went into bankruptcy do to thehe own incompetance in making cars
Saw how he went at the gun lobby in BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE then there was Virginia Tech and the other mass shootings
Also FAHRENHEIT 911 about the bush familys cozy money making relationship with rich arabs but then he trys letting some of his arab friends run US harbors
Now SICKO which my gf whose a nurse says just touches the tip of the iceberg about the problem with health care which will get worse worse..............
On Seprtember 12, 2001, one day after some 3,000 innocent American men, women and children were barbarically incinerated by savage, fanatical terrorists, Michael Moore made the following public statements:
"Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes' destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!"
"(T)he passengers were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes."
"I like America to some extent."
Given the timing and the circumstances in which Michael Moore made those public statements, his words define him forever as a traitor to his country and a racist, a cold-blooded, amoral creature beneath contempt.
Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 28713 Location: Kentucky , USA
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject:
If he said those things he's still no traitor liek somebody who betrays America for a foreign country .Like wolfowitz .............
If those are his comments some are pretty stupid but still not treason . I was amazed seeing him say he thought OJ was innocent of killing the ex and her one -niter. Dumb but not treason .
And he has a good track record as I pointed out above of spotting trouble
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