Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 6837 Location: Hampshire/Yorkshire
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject:
The NHS, despite it's many faults, still covers every subject of the Crown without bias or discrimination.
May I suggest you scrap a large proportion of your unnecessary carriers and nukes in order to make sure that 7% of the population - 21 MILLION PEOPLE - DO have access to health care?
And further, to ensure that those poor enough don't have stupid barriers put in place of them to access what you claim "is covered"?
The US Government has its priorities all wrong.
One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.
One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.
That is fanciful speculation.
That boy could have died in Britain waiting on the NHS queue for a life-saving procedure unless, of course, his family had sufficient money to retain those same NHS doctors privately.
And if that boy survived the NHS queue and the procedure was successful, he could have died in a NHS hospital from MRSA.
There are many deaths under your system, so don't throw stones when your house is glass.
And the 7% of Americans without medical insurance who are not covered by Medicaid/Medicare, still have access to medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 6837 Location: Hampshire/Yorkshire
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject:
myron myron wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.
That is fanciful speculation.
That boy could have died in Britain waiting on the NHS queue for a life-saving procedure unless, of course, his family had sufficient money to retain those same NHS doctors privately.
And if that boy survived the NHS queue and the procedure was successful, he could have died in a NHS hospital from MRSA.
There are many deaths under your system, so don't throw stones when your house is glass.
And the 7% of Americans without medical insurance who are not covered by Medicaid/Medicare, still have access to medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.
One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.
That is fanciful speculation.
That boy could have died in Britain waiting on the NHS queue for a life-saving procedure unless, of course, his family had sufficient money to retain those same NHS doctors privately.
And if that boy survived the NHS queue and the procedure was successful, he could have died in a NHS hospital from MRSA.
There are many deaths under your system, so don't throw stones when your house is glass.
And the 7% of Americans without medical insurance who are not covered by Medicaid/Medicare, still have access to medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 6837 Location: Hampshire/Yorkshire
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject:
myron myron wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
myron myron wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.
That is fanciful speculation.
That boy could have died in Britain waiting on the NHS queue for a life-saving procedure unless, of course, his family had sufficient money to retain those same NHS doctors privately.
And if that boy survived the NHS queue and the procedure was successful, he could have died in a NHS hospital from MRSA.
There are many deaths under your system, so don't throw stones when your house is glass.
And the 7% of Americans without medical insurance who are not covered by Medicaid/Medicare, still have access to medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.
Such bugs occur worldwide. The French have an even bigger problem.
We are refitting all of our hospitals with copper instead of other metals, paints that don't allow anything to grow on them, deep cleaning of wards and alcohol hand gels to prevent transmission.
Unfortunately, some cleaners are not doing their job properly. They should be charged with manslaughter in my opinion. That would put an end to that.
Really, myron, you jump upon this 7% figure as if it is insignificant. Yet you ignore the 60%. That is the figure that you say is covered by private insurance. Yet, this is work-related protection, the very thing that employers say is the first on their agenda to cut. Look at the City of Vallejo, filing for bankruptcy this week. Their sole point is that they can’t afford medical care. United Airlines filed for bankruptcy because it could not handle the retirement burden and the health care burden. Simple lay-offs mean that whole families lose their health-care benefits. This is your 60% that you tell us is vouched safe with private insurance? It’s about as safe as, “it won’t rain tomorrow.”
Yet we continue to spend a $-trillion a year on a Muslim American war that was born in deception, motivated by selfishness, and bears the worst of military planning, all on the word of ego-maniacal idiots whose dicks are larger than their cerebral cortexes. That is money that could wisely be spent fixing the problem with American health care. If we can afford an idiot tirllion dollar war, we sure as hell can afford more than Medicaid and Medicare in the US.
The Humvee: (seems as if we own part of it, not all)
Another drawback of the uparmored HMMWVs occurs during an accident or attack, when the heavily armored doors tend to jam shut, trapping the troops inside.[12] As a result, HMMWVs are being fitted with hooks on their doors, so that another vehicle can rip the door off, freeing the troops inside.[13] In addition, Vehicle Emergency Escape (VEE) windows, developed by BAE are currently being fielded for use on the M1114 uparmored HMMWV, with 1000 kits ordered.[14]
The soldier crewing the machine gun on top of the vehicle is extremely vulnerable; however, many HMMWVs have been fitted with basic gun shields, as was the case with M113 APCs after they were first deployed in Vietnam. The U.S. military is currently evaluating a new form of protection, developed by BAE Systems as well as systems designed by the Army, which are already in theater.[15] The new gunner's seat is protected by 1.5 to 2 feet (45.72 - 60.96 cm) high steel plates with bullet-proof glass windows. Additionally, some HMMWV use CROWS, which slaves the machine gun to controls in the back seat to allow remote operation.
BAE Systems Land Systems manufactures the British Army's Challenger II, Warrior Tracked Armoured Vehicle, M777 howitzer, Panther Command and Liaison Vehicle and L85 Assault Rifle. BAE Systems Land and Armaments manufactures the M2/M3 Bradley fighting vehicle family, the US Navy Advanced Gun System (AGS), the M109 Paladin and the United States Presidential State Car.
Two points. Medicare covers seniors, currently the most populous of age groups. So that's a matter of fortuitous statistics.
And if only one-third of the population is covered, what is happening with the other two-thirds? I think you just made Colonel’s point.
The U.S. does not have nationalized medicine.
Almost 60% of all Americans are covered under private health insurance.
About 33% of Americans (roughly 100 million) are covered under Medicaid or Medicare.
The remaining 7% or so of Americans without health insurance or Medicaid/Medicare are undoubtedly a problem, but they can still obtain medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.
The Colonel's so-called "point" that American children without medical insurance are routinely denied medical treatment and "left to die," is patently false.
Figures cited by politically biased media on the number of Americans without health insurance dishonestly count as "uninsured" people covered by Medicaid and sometimes even people covered by Medicare.
You know, these figures seemed to be a bit fanciful, myron, so I went the the United States House of Representatives, Ways and Means Committee, Medicare and Health Care Chartbook and found the exact source of medical care for all Americans. Here are the facts they provide:
Quote:
Private health insurance 31%
Out- of- pocket spending 19%
Other private sources 4%
Federal government 33%
State and local 13%
Total Expenditures = $988.5 Billion
Source: Chart prepared by CRS based on data from the Office of the Actuary, National Cost Estimates, HCFA.
Interesting, is it not? Gone is your speculation that 60% of Americans have private health insurance. Nearly 20% have to provide their own healthcare, meaning they have no program at all. The telling statistic is that in 2006 15.8% (47 million) were uninsured and could not provide for themselves. I believe you had spectlated that it was half than number. So, nearly 35% of Americans either provide their own healthcare or go without. That’s five times as much as you had given us (7%).
...all proving that the Colonel is not not the bullshitter that his competition is, eh?
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