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Pakistan Nightmare

Postby Lena on Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:55 am

I didn't even know there was a country called Pakisatn 3 years ago till we got some nite auditors at work from there.They do a good job and sometimes you se the guys looking at o.nline porn .Penis peopel will be penis people no matter where there from ................ :lol:

But last nite at work on the news hear them say Pakisatn doesn't isn't strong enough to crack down on al-qaeda and Taliban forces in it's wild west north so they operate freely but since the US needs the Pakisatn government we can't just go in and destroy the enemy .Also many in Pakistan like the al-qaeda and Taliban . :roll:

That set of a big talk among some guys who wud know about whats going on there who say Pakisatan has it's own fanatics and if they ever take over it will lead to maybe wars . Maybe a nucleur war with India since they don't the two countrys don't like each other and with the USA and 'peace loving ' israel since Pakistan has atomic bombs .and no one wants pro-terorist fanatics having them ..................

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Postby MM6 on Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:39 pm

Musharraf took over Pakistan in a military coup in 99 which was widely condemned. He was asked to drop the military title and become a civilian President but has refused. He still maintains the title of General. Then after 9/11 Pakistan backed the US and became an ally of the West. There are still Taleban forces operating on the northern Pakistan/Afghan borders and radicalised extremist sunni sects operate from within Pakistan itself.

The historical hostility with India comes from the disputed northern territory of Kashmir which they went to war over. This is what fuels the fear of an arms race between the two countries. An on-going peace process has so far managed to prevent this.

Right now everything is up in the air. There are daily suicide bombings because of what happened at the Red mosque in Islamabad. Musharraf is up for election and there are legal challenges in Pakistans supreme court to his position. Ironically he may be ousted himslef by another military coup. There are extremist groups who have vowed to kill him and there have already been assasination attempts. He could delay the election which would suit him because of his unstable position and declare a state of emergency because of the escalating violence. Whatever happens there you can be sure the US will have something to do with it. If hes such a valuable ally they wont want him out.

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Postby monosodium on Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:40 pm

If my memory serves me correctly, the taleban originally began in pakistan and went from there to afghanistan, so that doesn't entirely suprise me that people would support them.

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Postby Annie1981 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:01 pm

yes pakistan is one of the biggest problems the world faces IMO radical islam is quitely eating its way into every day life of pakistan and the "moderate" government is powerless.

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Postby one_irish_rover on Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:53 am

Musharraf has got his head in a vice. For years Pakistan has used Taliban, Al Qaeda, Mujahideen and other terrorist groups in Kashmir in a proxy war with India. The Pakistan military is filled with officers who are pro- Taliban pro-Al Qaeda. He can't be fully against terrorism. He can't sell out these terrorist groups that he's been using for years or it's his head in a basket. On the other side he's got America breathing down his neck as either an ally or a foe. I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet. The only way for him to survive is to keep doing what he's been doing and walk the line.

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Postby myron myron on Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:13 am

There is no question Musharraf is a dictator. The question is whether he is a lesser evil than a militant Muslim fundamentalist theocracy armed with nuclear weapons, which is what Pakistan will likely become after Musharraf is gone -- whenever and however that may occur.

Even under Musharraf today, Pakistan is the epicenter of militant Islamist extremism. This has come about relatively recently, within the last 30 years or so. And America had a hand in it.

The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979 and occupied large parts of the country until 1989. The Soviets initially overwhelmed the ragtag Afghan guerilla insurgency, taking the major Afghan cities and forcing the insurgents into hiding in the mountains. These early successes were due to a combination of Soviet air superiority and internecine warfare among the various tribes and clans that comprise Afghanistan.

The Soviets employed the "divide and conquer" tactic with great success, playing off one tribe against another and instigating tribal wars. The Afghan tribes could not put aside their historic hostilities; they could not unify to defend their land against the Soviet invaders.

The United States did not have sufficient national security interests in Afghanistan to justify direct military intervention. Nonetheless, the Americans did have an interest in preventing another "domino" from falling to the Soviet yoke.

The various Afghan tribes had one thing in common: they were all Muslim (albeit not very devout). The Soviet invaders were avowed atheists. The Americans concluded that Islam was the glue to unify and bring cohesion to the Afghan resistance.

Through the CIA, America began actively supporting (i.e., organizing, training and equipping) what were then called mujaheddin (religious warriors).

To create more mujaheddin, the Americans enlisted Saudi Arabia to finance construction of hundreds of Muslim religious schools called madressas in Pakistan, Afghanistan's next door neighbor.

The Saudi ruling dynasty follow Wahhabism, a fundamentalist, reactionary form of Islam which has a miltant offshoot called Salafism. The Saudis have always sought to expand and disseminate Wahhabism. To run the Pakistani madressas they financed, the Saudis installed Wahhabist/Salafist clerics.

Framing the Afghan insurgency against the Soviets as a jihad (Muslim holy war against infidels) not only unified the warring Afghan tribes but also attracted substantial numbers of Muslims from other countries, who volunteered to defend their Muslim brothers against the atheist Soviet infidels.

The CIA supplied the mujaheddin with shoulder-fired Stinger missiles that devastated Soviet attack and supply helicopters and low-flying planes. Mujaheddin guerillas, supplies and weapons were filtered into Afghanistan from Pakistan. The border city of Peshawar, Pakistan, became a well-known hub of anti-Soviet activity where weapons systems were openly bought and sold in bazaar-like fashion. Throughout this period, the madressas were churning out militant, young Wahhabist/Salafist mujaheddin.

The American plan was a resounding success. The mujaheddin guerilla insurgency transformed a Soviet rout into a protracted bloody guerrilla war with no end in sight. By late 1988 to early 1989, the combination of mujaheddin zeal and American Stingers and other military assistance had toppled the Soviet puppet government in the Afghan capital Kabul. Defeated and demoralized, the Soviets withdrew their troops from Afghanistan.

During the 1990's, the Pakistani madressas continued to create militant Wahhabist/Salafist extremists. But the new madressa graduates were no longer taught to hate and kill Russians. Instead, the targets of their murderous rage were now Israel and Israel's morally corrupt, decadent patron America.

After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, the United States foolishly turned its attention away from the entire region. The Americans forgot about the madressa network they had a hand in creating. This monumental American blunder had disastrous consequences -- including but not limited to 9/11. Al Qaeda are Salafists.

Many of the Islamist fundamentalists presently fighting the Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq graduated from Pakistani madressas or studied under madressa graduates.

In sum, although it was an unintended consequence of defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan, the United States had a hand in turning Pakistan into the epicenter of militant Islamist extremism espoused by suicide terrorists throughout the world today.

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Postby Lena on Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:46 pm

Now in addition to the IRS , std 's ,losing my job , junkies & punk kids who will jump you , and al-qaeda I have the fate of Pakistan to worry about ..................

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Re: Pakistan Nightmare

Postby tamachant on Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:29 pm

Lena wrote:but since the US needs the Pakisatn government we can't just go in and destroy the enemy .Also many in Pakistan like the al-qaeda and Taliban . :roll:
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Thats the part that confuses me that some countries believe they should go into other countries and destroy. I suppose if it was at the request of the Pakistaani government, but if not then its not really anyones business but there own.
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