Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: you can make it.
i can understand how you feel. I am 22, in college and i had my baby four weeks ago and have returned back to school. I noticed that with the support from my family and friends that iwas able to pull it through. At first i was afraid but i made it. i know that you will be able to make it through. sometimes it get depressing and you may think well how could this have happen to me but the blessing is that God chose you and your boyfriend to brign forth his creation and through you a wonderful child will be born. DOn't be discouraged just keep pressing forward and God will make a way for you.
part of me just can't believe the guilt that is being laid on by people who have no business telling others how to think or feel. i am 18weeks pregnant. this is not my first pregnancy. my first i had terminated. i feel there is a total lack of respect for a WOMAN. making a decision. in briton there is completely stupid arguement going around that young girls are having terminations in stead of taking the correct contraception. this is bullsh*t. before you can have a termination there are many medical steps to go through to. to put it bluntly you have to jump through hoops. if these girls are as lazy as the media wishes to make out they are, then surely after the fifth apointment in a hospital 25miles away from their home, put in mother and baby sections with happy expectant mothers beaming like hindu cows they would have given up?
no one has the right to try and make you feel small. if you have come to a decision concerning you and YOUR body then i say congratulations for having the moral fibre (termination or not) to have got to mental place where a decision is possible. im not saying its easy or pleasant either way. in fact i had a throughly traumatic experince but the was down to the staff and the place. there is a guilt that you will have to deal with but likewise there is always going to be guilt when you are a parent. "did i feed it right, do i pick it up"
i had little choice in my first as the father was loving but i honestly felt that he would have made a poor father and ruined mine and the childs life. there was also the issue of not having a job and the issue that i would have resented the child. not the childs fault and although i would have never wanted to feel that way to the child i would have none the less, there fore piling on more guilt.
everyone is different and what might be right for you might not be right for someone else. weigh your options up. LIFE IS HARD ENOUGH WITHOUT PLACING YOUR JUDGEMENTS ON OTHERS. WHAT YOU CHOSE TO DO IS YOUR BUSINESS BUT DOES BY NO MEANS ALLOW YOU TO STAND ON A SOAP BOX AND JUDGE OTHERS. LET HE WHOI IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: secondtimearound
"LIFE IS HARD ENOUGH WITHOUT PLACING YOUR JUDGEMENTS ON OTHERS. WHAT YOU CHOSE TO DO IS YOUR BUSINESS BUT DOES BY NO MEANS ALLOW YOU TO STAND ON A SOAP BOX AND JUDGE OTHERS. LET HE WHOI IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.[/quote]"
Yes it is hard, and no one is casting a stone, but they are telling women the truth - it is wrong to kill an innocent child. We have a right to that opinion just as you have your opinion.
What choice did the child have?
There is always adoption which is far easier to live with than abortion. I know because I've been there - done both!
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: secontimearound
Misleading Claims about Abortion . . .
Claim: "It's my body."
Answer: A woman's body does not have two beating hearts, two blood types, two heads, four eyes, four arms, and four legs. A pregnant woman and her baby have all this and more. And what about when she's pregnant with a male baby? That's not her body . . . it's a unique, baby boy growing in her womb.
Claim: "It's only a fetus."
Answer: FACT: A fetus is a human being..... Fetus -- literally meaning "little one" in Latin -- refers to the pre-born baby after eight week's gestation. Webster's Dictionary says a fetus has, "passed the early stages of development and attained the basic final form prior to parturition (birth)." Some people seem to have forgotten they once lived and grew in the womb as a "fetus." Would it have been okay if they had been aborted when they were "only a fetus?"
Claim: "Abortion is legal, therefore, it must be right."
Answer: The U.S. Supreme Court has been wrong on many major decisions and then overturned itself. Remember the Dred Scott case on slavery? If the Supreme Court suddenly declared child abuse or rape legal, would that make them right? Would we ignore such injustices and do nothing to protect the innocent?
Claim: "Freedom of Choice" - It's a woman's "right to choose!"
Answer: How can anyone claim they have the "freedom" or "right" to kill an innocent baby? The only "choice" in abortion is between a dead baby and a live baby. Furthermore, advocates who defend this "choice" are not consistent. Why is it only in the case of abortion they argue that "choice" should be absolute? Using the same rationale, wouldn't people have the right to "choose" to use drugs ("it's my body") or the right to "choose" to practice prostitution? Humane societies don't tell people they have a "Freedom of Choice" to kill their own children. There are right choices and wrong choices. In recent history, millions of innocent people died because of terribly wrong choices which slave owners and Nazis thought they had a "right" to make. Terrible choices have led to dead slaves, dead Jews, and dead babies.
Claim: "The government shouldn't interfere."
Answer: Our Declaration of Independence declares that each of us has an "inalienable right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Thomas Jefferson defined government's role, "The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government." Government should protect all of us, especially before we are born, when we are most vulnerable.
Claim: "Poor women need public funds (your tax money) to pay for abortions so they're not be discriminated against."
Answer: The rich can readily afford cocaine and prostitutes. Should taxpayers also be forced to buy these for the poor? The bottom line is that abortion is the worst form of child abuse. It kills a baby and wounds the mother for life. If the poor cannot afford abortions, they and their children are blessed not to become victims of this bloody holocaust.
Claim: "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but I would not impose my morality on others."
Answer: What about other moral issues like rape, robbery, child abuse, arson and murder? What if politicians said, "I'm personally opposed, but . .. ." They'd be kicked out of office on the spot! What about slavery? If abolitionists had bought this "personally opposed, but" argument, some states could still be saddled with slavery today. Every law ever passed sets standards which reflect someone's (or a body of lawmakers') morality. A politician who won't vote against something he/she is morally opposed to doesn't have an ounce of honesty in his/her blood.
Claim: Privacy - "In 1973, The Supreme Court said women have a "constitutional right" to privacy on abortion."
Answer: The Court has been wrong before and it is wrong on this decision. Nobody has a right to injure or kill another person "privately." Does a "right to privacy" also protect parents who abuse, molest or kill their born children in the "privacy" of their home? Why not? What about their "privacy?" How is it that Roe v. Wade determined that unborn children are not "persons" even though they have the right to inherit property, the right to be protected from a drug-addicted mother, the right not to be killed by a drunk driver, and many other rights. Some states have entire sections of law outlining Crimes Against Unborn Children in which they are protected from negligent or willful harm or death from conception on.
Claim: "Dred Scott and Roe v. Wade aren't comparable."
Answer: Yes, they are comparable in that the Supreme Court was wrong to deny inalienable rights in both cases. The Dred Scott decision of 1857 upheld slavery as legal. That was wrong. It decreed that black people are the private property of the slave owners. This was a grave error made by the Supreme Court, denying African-Americans one of their most fundamental human rights -- the right to Liberty. In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court erred again by denying a whole class of human beings (pre-born babies) the most fundamental right -- the right to Life.
Claim: "If legal abortions are banned, women will resort to dangerous back alley abortions."
Answer: In 1972, the year before the Supreme Court legalized abortion, a total of 39 women died from illegal abortions, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League), admits his group lied and inflated the number of women who died from illegal abortion when testifying before the U.S. Supreme Court in 1972: "We spoke of 5,000 - 10,000 deaths a year. I confess that I knew the figures were totally false . . . it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?" Claims that abortion became safer for women after it was legalized fail to acknowledge that large numbers of women are physically injured or killed by so-called "safe and legal" abortions every year. The book "Lime 5" documents 230 cases of women injured or killed by abortion or sexually assaulted by their abortionists (see page 18 and www.prolife.com for details). Former abortion provider Carol Everett states, "In the last 18 months I was in business (Everett ran four abortion centers in Texas in 1982), we were completing 500 abortions monthly and killing or maiming one woman out of 500."
Claim: Rape & incest - "Abortion should be legal to end a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest."
Answer: It's important to remember that the child conceived in rape, or incest, is no less human than any other child. Dr. David Reardon (www.afterabortion.com) points out that abortion is the very worst "solution" that can be offered to the pregnant woman at this crisis time in her life. Abortion compounds her problems. Abortion makes her an aggressor against her own innocent child and it never makes the painful memories of rape go away. If a small child were killed in the street by a negligent driver and it was later determined that the child had been conceived in rape, would the driver be held less responsible? Is that child's death less tragic?
Claim: "It's a woman's issue. Men should have no say."
Answer: Every baby has a mother and a father. Why should fathers be denied their parental rights? Men have a natural instinct to defend the innocent and the weak. More than half of America's pro-life movement is made up of women who want men to join their cause. Many women became pro-life after discovering their abortion was a terrible mistake. They know how painful abortion is from first hand experience and many ask men to get involved so fewer women and babies will become victims of abortion.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: Must read this...so sad
Month One
Mommy
I am only 4 inches long
but I have all my organs.
I love the sound of your voice.
The sound of your heart beat
is my favorite lullaby.
Month Two
Mommy
today I learned how to suck my thumb.
If you could see me
you could definitely tell that I am a baby.
I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though.
It is so nice and warm in here.
Month Three
You know what Mommy
I'm a boy!!
I hope that makes you happy.
I always want you to be happy.
I don't like it when you cry.
You sound so sad.
It makes me sad too
and I cry with you even though
you can't hear me.
Month Four
Mommy
my hair is starting to grow.
It is very short and fine
but I will have a lot of it.
I spend a lot of my time exercising.
I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes
and stretch my arms and legs.
I am becoming quite good at it too.
Month Five
You went to the doctor today.
Mommy, he lied to you.
He said that I'm not a baby.
I am a baby Mommy, your baby.
I think and feel.
Mommy, what's abortion?
Month Six
I can hear that doctor again.
I don't like him.
He seems cold and heartless.
Something is intruding my home.
The doctor called it a needle.
Mommy what is it? It burns!
Please make him stop!
I can't get away from it!
Mommy! HELP me!
Month Seven
Mommy
I am okay.
I am in Jesus's arms.
He is holding me.
He told me about abortion.
Why didn't you want me Mommy?
Every Abortion Is Just . . .
One more heart that was stopped.
Two more eyes that will never see.
Two more hands that will never touch.
Two more legs that will never run.
One more mouth that will never speak.
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Month One
Mommy
I am only 4 inches long
but I have all my organs.
I love the sound of your voice.
The sound of your heart beat
is my favorite lullaby.
Month Two
Mommy
today I learned how to suck my thumb.
If you could see me
you could definitely tell that I am a baby.
I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though.
It is so nice and warm in here.
Month Three
You know what Mommy
I'm a boy!!
I hope that makes you happy.
I always want you to be happy.
I don't like it when you cry.
You sound so sad.
It makes me sad too
and I cry with you even though
you can't hear me.
Month Four
Mommy
my hair is starting to grow.
It is very short and fine
but I will have a lot of it.
I spend a lot of my time exercising.
I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes
and stretch my arms and legs.
I am becoming quite good at it too.
Month Five
You went to the doctor today.
Mommy, he lied to you.
He said that I'm not a baby.
I am a baby Mommy, your baby.
I think and feel.
Mommy, what's abortion?
Month Six
I can hear that doctor again.
I don't like him.
He seems cold and heartless.
Something is intruding my home.
The doctor called it a needle.
Mommy what is it? It burns!
Please make him stop!
I can't get away from it!
Mommy! HELP me!
Month Seven
Mommy
I am okay.
I am in Jesus's arms.
He is holding me.
He told me about abortion.
Why didn't you want me Mommy?
Every Abortion Is Just . . .
One more heart that was stopped.
Two more eyes that will never see.
Two more hands that will never touch.
Two more legs that will never run.
One more mouth that will never speak
Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: Pro-choice/abortion
Unfortunately, pro-abortion and pro-choice advocates have been successful in casting doubt on what it is that is inside a woman's womb. The absurdity of this condition is that people are now confused, and have been led to doubt that innate knowledge of good and evil. Many have some mystical notion, that a prenatal child is something akin to Jack’s magic beans; that at some unknown moment in time, poof… a blob of tissue becomes a human being.
Abortion can ONLY be justified by those who disbelieve the existence of the soul and God.
Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: Healing Place for States and Abroad
Founded in 1990, the National Office of Post-Abortion Reconciliation and Healing, Inc. networks researchers and psychotherapeutic professionals working in the field within the U.S. and abroad, consults on the formation of post-abortion support services within SECULAR and religious settings including Project Rachel, provides training for care providers, maintains a national "800" referral line for those seeking assistance in reconciling an abortion experience, publishes the International Post-Abortion Support Services Directory, produces and vends audio, video, and printed materials, maintains an annotated book list, tracks support group models, and sponsors the Healing Vision conference at Marquette University.
Healing Vision is the only international conference on abortion's aftermath and its resolution.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: Forgive Yourself an Others
The Duck & the Devil
There was a little boy visiting his grandparents on their farm. He was given a slingshot to play with out in the woods. He practiced in the woods, but he could never hit the target. Getting a little discouraged, he headed back for dinner. As he was walking back he saw Grandma's pet duck.
Just out of impulse, he let the slingshot fly, hit the duck square in the head, and killed it. He was shocked and grieved.
In a panic, he hid the dead duck in the wood pile, only to see his sister watching. Sally had seen it all, but she said nothing.
After lunch the next day Grandma said, "Sally, let's wash the dishes." But Sally said, "Grandma, Johnny told me he wanted to help in the kitchen." Then she whispered to him, "Remember the duck?" So Johnny did the dishes.
Later that day, Grandpa asked if the children wanted to go fishing and Grandma said, "I'm sorry but I need Sally to help make supper." Sally just smiled and said," Well that's alright because Johnny told me he wanted to help." She whispered again, "Remember the duck?" So Sally went fishing and Johnny stayed to help.
After several days of Johnny doing both his chores and Sally's ... he finally couldn't stand it any longer.
He came to Grandma and confessed that he had killed the duck. Grandma knelt down, gave him a hug, and said, "Sweetheart, I know. You see, I was standing at the window and I saw the whole thing, but because I love you, I forgave you. I was just wondering how long you would let Sally make a slave of you."
Thought for the day and every day thereafter?
Whatever is in your past, whatever you have done.. and the devil keeps throwing it up in your face (lying, cheating, debt, fear, bad habits, hatred, anger, bitterness, etc.) ...whatever it is....You need to know that God was standing at the window and He saw the whole thing..... He has seen your whole life. He wants you to know that He loves you and that you are forgiven.
He's just wondering how long you will let the devil make a slave of you.
The great thing about God is that when you ask for forgiveness, He not only forgives you, but He forgets ..... It is by God's grace and mercy; that we are saved.
Go ahead and make the difference in someone's life today. Share this with a friend and always remember: God is at the window. HE LOVES YOU!
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: My girlfriend is pregnant
My girlfriend is 5 weeks pregnant and i know how women feel about these things like only they have a say if you are one of those please dont read this as you might be offended. I dont know what to do one the one hand i would love to have a child i am 18 and she is 17 but i dont feel that we are financialy ready. If we where i would have absolutely no problem with it. But i feel myself drawing closer to abortion. I do belive i have a say in this but i dont know if i want her to go thru an abortion. I dont know what to do as she is seeking an opinion from me can some one please help thank you (Please no religious input) Just commen sence and facts ( No offence) and also i dont care if it is murder or what ever i just want sensible help non of this women rights stuff please
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: Re: My girlfriend is pregnant
Male Guest wrote:
My girlfriend is 5 weeks pregnant and i know how women feel about these things like only they have a say if you are one of those please dont read this as you might be offended. I dont know what to do one the one hand i would love to have a child i am 18 and she is 17 but i dont feel that we are financialy ready. If we where i would have absolutely no problem with it. But i feel myself drawing closer to abortion. I do belive i have a say in this but i dont know if i want her to go thru an abortion. I dont know what to do as she is seeking an opinion from me can some one please help thank you (Please no religious input) Just commen sence and facts ( No offence) and also i dont care if it is murder or what ever i just want sensible help non of this women rights stuff please
Hey just kinda stressing out guys and girls lol you know what i mean im so fuckin scared My mom will kill me its not even funny I have a straight a grade avarege And i good looking future please help me with this issue please please please
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(Please no religious input) Just commen sence and facts ( No offence) and also i dont care if it is murder or what ever i just want sensible help non of this women rights stuff please
And i good looking future please help me with this issue please please please