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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss V wrote:
. wrote:
Some kids can become very defiant.

So raising your hand to "correct" them and assert who the boss is, is OK IMO!

That's what seperates Abuse from Corrections.... abuse is a regular occurance! Corrctions are not!


+1

There's a difference between abusing a child and beating him/her to a pulp and showing tough love. Due to the lack of respect for parents and authority in children these days I feel that a lot of children need a good spanking.



im sorry to say but that is due to bad parenting in the first place if you dont have time for your kids and push them fron childminder to preschool ect how do you expect them to resect you in the first place
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Miss V
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. wrote:
Miss V wrote:
. wrote:
Some kids can become very defiant.

So raising your hand to "correct" them and assert who the boss is, is OK IMO!

That's what seperates Abuse from Corrections.... abuse is a regular occurance! Corrctions are not!


+1

There's a difference between abusing a child and beating him/her to a pulp and showing tough love. Due to the lack of respect for parents and authority in children these days I feel that a lot of children need a good spanking.



im sorry to say but that is due to bad parenting in the first place if you dont have time for your kids and push them fron childminder to preschool ect how do you expect them to resect you in the first place


I agree with you. Many children these days are not getting enough time and quality parenting from parents. But I don't see anything wrong with spanking when necessary.
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noodles
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool and how about your husband giving you a crack whenever he thinks your out of line. I see more badly behaved adults than i do children, maybe the laws are all wrong and smackin each other should just become a norm for challenging behaviour. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss V wrote:
. wrote:
Miss V wrote:
. wrote:
Some kids can become very defiant.

So raising your hand to "correct" them and assert who the boss is, is OK IMO!

That's what seperates Abuse from Corrections.... abuse is a regular occurance! Corrctions are not!


+1

There's a difference between abusing a child and beating him/her to a pulp and showing tough love. Due to the lack of respect for parents and authority in children these days I feel that a lot of children need a good spanking.



im sorry to say but that is due to bad parenting in the first place if you dont have time for your kids and push them fron childminder to preschool ect how do you expect them to resect you in the first place


I agree with you. Many children these days are not getting enough time and quality parenting from parents. But I don't see anything wrong with spanking when necessary.


well if you bring up your kids with love then you would not need to smake as thay would be well behaved you find a child that plays up is doing it as its the only way thay get any attention from there parent/s as a lot these days dont have time for there kids thay treat them like a doll all over them when thay are born and get feed up with them as thay grow up its like a old saying the first 18 months you wont them to walk and talk the next 18 years you tell them to shut up and sit still
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Miss V
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

. wrote:
Miss V wrote:
. wrote:
Miss V wrote:
. wrote:
Some kids can become very defiant.

So raising your hand to "correct" them and assert who the boss is, is OK IMO!

That's what seperates Abuse from Corrections.... abuse is a regular occurance! Corrctions are not!


+1

There's a difference between abusing a child and beating him/her to a pulp and showing tough love. Due to the lack of respect for parents and authority in children these days I feel that a lot of children need a good spanking.



im sorry to say but that is due to bad parenting in the first place if you dont have time for your kids and push them fron childminder to preschool ect how do you expect them to resect you in the first place


I agree with you. Many children these days are not getting enough time and quality parenting from parents. But I don't see anything wrong with spanking when necessary.


well if you bring up your kids with love then you would not need to smake as thay would be well behaved you find a child that plays up is doing it as its the only way thay get any attention from there parent/s as a lot these days dont have time for there kids thay treat them like a doll all over them when thay are born and get feed up with them as thay grow up its like a old saying the first 18 months you wont them to walk and talk the next 18 years you tell them to shut up and sit still


I suppose it depends on cultural influences. I used to be showered with love, attention and I was spoiled. However when I felt like I was to run the house a little spanking put me in line. I have no resentful feelings towards my parents whatsoever. So from my perspective I see nothing wrong with spanking.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a six month old baby so obviously this doesn't apply to me yet but my husband and I have talked about it before. Personally I will try to discipline without smacking as I find it quite hypocritical ("Ella, don't smack your brother!" *smack*) and also think other disciplining methods are more effective e.g 3 warnings then time out or the "naughty step"- 1 minute for every year of the childs life. However, I consider my parents were great parents and they used to smack my sister and I on occasion. Basically I don't plan to smack my daughter but I don't consider it wrong and think you should do what works best for you. I also wouldn't rule it out together, it may be the only method that works for Ella and in that case I will certainly smack her if she misbehaves badly.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. wrote:
its dare it doesnt matter if you leave a mark or not if a child tells a teacher at school they have to report it to s/services and i know that as i work in a school as a support teacher


Surely that depends upon how it's reported and perhaps where you are. My oldest son is 5 and at primary school in England. The teachers know we smack him when he's naughty and so far we're not aware of any report to social services. They've certainly not contacted us in any way.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AussieAdam wrote:
I think thats a fir point Guest........Often a raised voice spoken in a firm assertive manner is enough.....And yeah the raised hand and the threat of a smack is enough to get the desired result.

I do have a lot of sucess though with simple grounding and removal of priviliges.......Do you know just how many car washes and pots washed you can get done by teenager in exchange for one hours MSN?


I agree but that only works with older chidren. My 5 and 3 year olds wouldn't respond in quite the same way.
Young children are not adults and the logic that applies must be different. The basic principle of society is that misbehaviour should be punished and the punishment should fit the situation and the recipient should know why they're being punished. If an adult breaks the law, punishment may follow many months later and could result in a prison sentence. No one would suggest that sort of time delay or punishment is suitable for a child under 10. Their apreciation of time and memeory retention means that a quick response is needed. The reasoning behind adult discipline cannot be applied here. A sharp word for minor occasions and a smack for more serious ones or repetitions works well. As the child matures, so the punishment should gradually change to a more adult oriented answer. The child becomes more capable of understanding it and has to become prepared for the transion into adulthood.
Opponents of smacking often refer to it as beating. It is not. No one should condone beating a child, or any other human being. Smacking is but one of many types of punishment suitable for children. It is effective when used correctly and hopefully occasionally.
To Gioga who said it's wrong as we're all equal. No we're not all equal. Children are not adults. Do you allow your children to be your equal in the home? Should my youngsters be allowed to decide when to go to bed? whether to go to school or stay at home and watch TV? Of course not. I have to take those decisions for them. I also have to teach them that misbehaving is wrong and will be punished in a way that they won't like. My choice of punishment will change as they grow as my greatest responsibility is to prepare them for adult life. At the moment smacking is a suitable punishment. When they're 17, it won't be.
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opalfruit
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont see smacking as a beating. i see it as a really negative and lazy way to teach.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

opalfruit wrote:
i dont see smacking as a beating. i see it as a really negative and lazy way to teach.


You could well be right but it does teach that misbehaivious gets punished.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh - punished with a smack. makes no sense to me at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

opalfruit wrote:
yeh - punished with a smack. makes no sense to me at all.


What do you suggest is appropriate for a 3 year old?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I left boarding school in the UK in 1980. We had corporal punishment in our school and we were terrified of the teachers and they could be quite viscious in dealing out their punishments. (fists, canes, coathangers and once I saw someone get kicked) Whenever I complained to my parents they said I maust have done something to deserve it! Rolling Eyes Laughing

My own son attended school in Australia. There is no corporal punishment. The students have the run of the school. There have been many assaults on teachers(and parents defending their kids for assaulting the teachers Shocked )

I have smacked my child. At times it was the only thing that would get his attention and I have no regrets about it.
I do not know what the next generation of children are going to be like but by the looks of things we are heading back to being in-undated with neanderthals! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smacking should be against the law. There is no excuse for smacking other methods of discipline can be used. All you are doing is telling the child it is all right to smack so then the child does the same.

I know of one mother who started to smack her child. How ever she had to stop because her son was hitting her back. She said to me i am sending him the wrong message because by me smacking him he thinks its okay to do it back. So she found other ways to discipline him and this a 2 year old were are talking about.

I also saw a incident at a shopping center where a child ran out on the road and the mother smack her for it. I went and told her off. Because it was her fault that the child had ran out on the road not the child. The mother wasn't holding the child's hand so what does she expect the child is going to do. She of course told me to mind my own business and i told her that the welfare of children's is everyone's business and i told her i would call the police and make it there business she didn't say any thing after that.

Just because your parents smacked you doesn't mean what your parents did was right. Also it was different times for your parents where smacking was more acceptable. We are now in 2007 where smacking isn't as acceptable.

Infact your parents of there generation who are now elderly do frown upon people who smack there children and i have seen this many of times. So perhaps they admit they were wrong or perhaps they are going along with the times.

If smacking is the only form of discipline you know then you need parent training.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

. wrote:
opalfruit wrote:
yeh - punished with a smack. makes no sense to me at all.


What do you suggest is appropriate for a 3 year old?


Oh i dont know - how about wiring them up to the mains or summat!

A three year old needs genuine guidance not smacking! Talk to them/tone of voice/threaten to take treats away unless they behave in a way thats acceptable and deserving/let them tanrum and ignore them/take their attention elsewhere/ignore all bad behaviour. There are lots of techniques that can be used.
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