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Postby Curvey_Brunette on Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:21 pm

Last night on my way home from a party my husband and I got stopped by the police.

It was the early hours of the morning and because they could smell alcohol in the car, (from my husband I add), they breathalysed me which proved clear, the little green light stayed green so I was allowed on my way.

During a brief chat with the police officer she told me that she had stopped several drivers that evening and had made several arrests for being over the limit. She said it was a nice change to actually get a 'non-result' from someone as most of the people she had stopped had either been over the limit or had given a boarder line reading indicating they'd taken a drink.

I just don't get why people drink and drive, getting a taxi back to my home from the friends we'd been partying with would have cost £35, had I of proved positive then the fines alone would have been in the hundreds of pounds not to mention the wasted money by insurance premiums when I get my licence back.

Why are people so stupid they'll take the risk? Don't they realise it's going to cost a lot more money in the long run than a taxi ever could?

Don't they get that if they drink and drive it could kill someone?

Don't they get that it's the run up to Christmas and so the police are more likely to stop them if they're out late at night or, (as in my case), they're out in the car in the early hours of the morning??

A car is a lethal weapon in the hands of a moron who's had a few, it will kill someone if it runs them over or hits their car.

Perhaps stiffer penalties are the answer? The officer I spoke to said that she's often arrested people she's arrested for drink driving who are banned and behind the wheel despite the ban so it seems that the current penalties aren't stiffer.

My suggestion would be taking their cars off them and crushing them, a 5 year ban, having to take the driving test again, a £5,000 fine, (with attachment to earnings order if they're employed, or money taken from benefits) and at least a year in some really harsh jail, and when they come out, a years worth of community service.

The police and motor insurance providers have the ANPR system and the MIB system, (which I admit isn't infallible but it works at least a good 90% of the time), so why can't the motor industry such as car dealers and auctions be a part of this system and not be allowed to sell a car to anyone convicted of drink driving?

Make it harder for them to buy a car in the first place.

OK so they could buy a car privately, or perhaps get a friend to buy a car for them from a dealer or at auction, but that could be made a real risk for the friend if it's found they bought a car for someone who is on a ban by disqualifying them from the road, taking their car from them, giving them huge fines and making them take a re-test if they've helped someone buy a car.

I mean, if a friend of yours asked you to run the risk of fines, imprisonment, having your own car lifted, a ban and a re-test just because you've helped a mate out, would you run the risk? I know I wouldn't.

The battle against drink drivers is one the police and courts aren't winning. The whole system is a joke and they need to do something to get these drink drive morons off the road.
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Postby OffDutyNurse on Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:21 pm

I cannot believe the figures are still so high from what the policewoman told you - I'm shocked! After all the horrible adverts, etc?

People are so stupid it's unbelievable! :cry:

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Postby AussieAdam on Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:04 am

I once advocated and supported a Zero alcohol limited for drivers. Then I realised that there are so many products that contain traces of alcohol
(Im sure Off Duty Nurse will back that ) that so many people would be busted unfairly.

Having said that then I agree we must toughen up - A three year jail sentence for a first DD offence should be the rule (That way the bugga serves a minimum of 12 months) tied in with an alcohol awareness course. The car should be seized and sold to recoup some of the court costs or perhaps the money could go to AA as they dont seem to be government funded.

If a driver kills or injures someone as a result of their drink driving then we should put this in the category of murder/manslaughter or attempted murder and convict accordingley.

The convicted DD should have to take a fresh driving test.

If the driver is convicted of DD again within five years of release from prison then a five year sentence should be imposed along with a 10 year driving ban and an extended driving test to follow.

I'm never really sure about applying a fine since a large fine is usually felt by the family and not the individual - Its the DD your looking at punishing not the wife and kids ( And yep I accept that by advocating imprisonment it could be seen as if Im contradicting myself )

The annoying thing is that there are so many cases of people being stopped for DD who are found to have been already banned already and shouldnt even be on the road. That means they do not have insurance either. - There are some people that just do not care enough and are happy to take the risk of being caught - These are the people that we need to really jump on.

I do feel for those that drive late the following morning after a night out, believing that the alcohol has dissapaited enough for them to be below the limit. They get stopped, they are fractionally over the limit and end up with a ban and a fine and sometimes the loss of a job.

If I decide to go out and have a meal or just clubbin with friends and I drive then I look for alcohol substitutes - I am one of those odd guys that can happily sup Kalibur lager or Eiseburg wine. I can enjoy the odd night out and have a great time without the need to get wasted all the time.

Truth is though over the next few weeks there are going to be kids lying on mortuary slabs, wifes/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends that wake up the morning after without the one they love.

The press is going to tell the stories of the hit and run driver caught three days later who has mown into a group of people, killing and maiming.

There are also going to be the drivers who end up wrapping their cars round a tree or into a wall, killing themselves and causing their friends and family so much heart ache......

And all because of a couple of beers or a bottle of wine.......and because we do not have sentences that are so punitive they make the thought of drink driving never enter a drivers head.
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Postby Curvey_Brunette on Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:20 pm

OffDutyNurse wrote:I cannot believe the figures are still so high from what the policewoman told you - I'm shocked! After all the horrible adverts, etc?

People are so stupid it's unbelievable! :cry:


I have to say I was well shocked when after several stops, I appeared to be the only one completely clear and hadn't touched a drop.

I think it's Sweden that has the best attitude and policy towards drink drivers: If you drink you don't drive!

It's the only solution to the drink drive problem.
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Postby Curvey_Brunette on Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:01 pm

I completely agree with you Adam, from what I was told many drink drivers get banned but go back on the road, they kill or hurt innocent people and I personally am sick of selfish people on the roads.

Only the other day my husband had words with someone over their impatience.

We were at a junction waiting to turn right at an awkward place, basically the layout of the road was that the junction was only a few yards from a roundabout, there is a feeder lane for traffic turning into the junction we were sat at so there is traffic coming from the left, the right and blocking turning right.

The driver behind us started beeping his horn and waving his arms about trying to 'encourage' my husband to pull out.

Unluckily for him, we were also going to the same car park as he was and so my husband stopped, got out of the car, walked over to the other driver and asked him what his problem was.

My husband asked the other driver if he wanted him to pull out into traffic with 2 of our children in the car and cause an accident? The driver said "Of course not, "I didn't think you were paying attention"

It's this sort of selfish attitude that gets people killed and it's the same selfish attitude that is displayed by drink drivers who think they're above the law or they won't get caught.

Even when they do get caught, they're often back behind the wheel a few days after being banned once more showing their arrogance and sticking two fingers up to the law.

I've seen programs on the TV where drivers have been over the limit the next day and are stopped because they're driving like nutters.

My husband and I have a simple rule, if we drink we don't drive! My husband is currently behind the wheel after staying off the road all day yesterday. He knows that after the skinful he had on Friday night, he probably wasn't safe to drive yesterday so he left it until today before going back on the road.

He knew he had nowhere to go yesterday which is why he had a drink on Friday night, and even if he had to go out on some 'emergency call' yesterday I would have driven him.

The next time we go out I'll be the one to drink and he'll stay on the soft drinks. I had a good night on Friday, I enjoyed myself with our friends and I didn't need a drink to have fun, I didn't need a drink to join in with the others, I didn't need a drink to have a laugh.

I know next time I'll be the one in the passenger seat pissed out of my head and I too won't go out in the car as a driver for a good 24 hours after taking my last drink.

I value my licence, I value my car, I value my life. I have no desire to be the cause of death for some innocent person.

I can see the bigger picture, it's not just about what could happen to me if I drink and drive, but it's what'll happen to other people.

We live in a very rural area with a village shop that is worse than useless. There's no bank, no cash machine, people in the village local to us rely on their cars to go shopping, to take their kids to school. Their car is a lifeline to them, it's an essential to them not a luxury.

We're OK, we have several cars so if one gets involved in an accident we can use one of the other cars, but not everyone is like us. A couple might have two cars, but if they both work and they work in opposite directions it leaves them in a difficult position until the insurance sorts the matter out.

Many people aren't fully comp so the option of a hire car isn't available to them, many people can't afford to go out and replace their car on a whim, and even if they could that doesn't give me the right to get behind the wheel after a few drinks.

Even if I didn't cause a death or an injury to the other person, I'll still take their car off the road and cause them a great amount of problems.

That's why I don't drink and drive and to me it's the best reason not to drink and drive. But it seems some people can't see past the end of their own nose and simply can't think past their own selfish needs.

You know the situation is bad when an experienced police officer expresses surprise that a breath test proves 100% clear.
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Postby karrin on Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:05 pm

My mother and my grandmother got knocked down by drink-drivers yet my sister still drinks and drive :shock: My mother survived my grandmother didnt
I refuse to speak to my sister anymore, about this subject or any other subject for that matter, I dont know what posseses her after she's seen the effect drink-driving has on victims.
People who drink and drive are beyond selfish, and dangerous and need to be locked up

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Postby Curvey_Brunette on Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:20 pm

karrin wrote:My mother and my grandmother got knocked down by drink-drivers yet my sister still drinks and drive :shock: My mother survived my grandmother didnt
I refuse to speak to my sister anymore, about this subject or any other subject for that matter, I dont know what posseses her after she's seen the effect drink-driving has on victims.
People who drink and drive are beyond selfish, and dangerous and need to be locked up


I know she's your sister, but ... Well, if you know she's out in the car after a few drinks, I'm sure the police would be more than happy to do something about her.

A friend of ours did this to his brother. His brother came home reeking of drink and decided to go out in the car again despite being told not to and how lucky he was he hadn't been stopped on the way home.

He said it was a painful thing for him to do, grassing on his own brother, but he couldn't sit by and know his brother was out there on the roads while drunk because if he'd have killed someone he'd never have been able to live with himself.

Happily he was caught, he got a 3 year ban for being FOUR TIMES the limit and a heavy fine. He's learnt from this and has had a clean licence for over 10 years now.

Perhaps your sister might also learn if she's caught? Perhaps she won't but isn't it worth taking the chance that losing her licence, getting a fine and paying double the insurance when she goes back on the road will teach her how unacceptable drink driving is?

So many idiots out there on the roads have the attitude "It won't happen to me" and when it does happen, with some of them it wakes them up to what they are doing.

Call the police and get her caught, even if it's only a 1 in a 1,000 she'll learn, it's still worth taking the chance and it might make her realise how you feel about drinking and driving?
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Postby LightRibena on Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:19 pm

My uncle actually crashed into a hedge and lost his lisence for 14months. He'd drank 6 pints that night and still drove home from the pub. Considering he is a farmer, that wasn't good news. He hasn't drink-drived since.

people need a little common sense, but sadly alcohol impairs that too. But still either decide to go via public transport and get a taxi home or have a designated driver before even going.
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Postby Curvey_Brunette on Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:37 pm

LightRibena wrote:people need a little common sense, but sadly alcohol impairs that too.


I might agree with this if it wasn't for the fact that most of the drink drivers are stone cold sober when they set off to the pub in their car so alcohol clouding judgement is a very poor excuse.

If I'm in a pub or a club and I have the car outside and I'm driving, I don't drink, and if I do drink I either get someone to pick me up or I take a taxi home and go back for the car the next afternoon when I know I'm clear of drink.

If I've had that much to drink, I'll ask my husband to get the car for me.

OK so it's a bit of an inconvenience, but it's less of an inconvenience than having to rely on taxi's or other people while I'm banned.
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Postby SarahGirl on Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:04 am

AussieAdam wrote:I once advocated and supported a Zero alcohol limited for drivers. Then I realised that there are so many products that contain traces of alcohol
(Im sure Off Duty Nurse will back that ) that so many people would be busted unfairly.



I understand its more diffuclt than that, some people create trace amounts of alchohol in their breath or so I have been told.

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Having said that then I agree we must toughen up - A three year jail sentence for a first DD offence should be the rule (That way the bugga serves a minimum of 12 months) tied in with an alcohol awareness course. The car should be seized and sold to recoup some of the court costs or perhaps the money could go to AA as they dont seem to be government funded.
We are going to need to build some pretty large extra jais then AA - at least in the UK - and there is the problem that people who have served a jail sentence find it very difficult to find employment afterwards - we might not care much for them, but I, for one, do not want to ctreate an even larger 'underclass' of peolple who contribute little or nothing (except trouble) to scoiety - I fear that would be the result of this suggestion.

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If a driver kills or injures someone as a result of their drink driving then we should put this in the category of murder/manslaughter or attempted murder and convict accordingley.

The convicted DD should have to take a fresh driving test.

If the driver is convicted of DD again within five years of release from prison then a five year sentence should be imposed along with a 10 year driving ban and an extended driving test to follow.


I can't see that you can equate killing someone as a result of drink driving with murder, as the law currently defines it (although perhaps with second degree murder under the preposed changes) but certainly I think this should be dealt with as manslaughter.

Taking and selling the car seems reasonable, although many of the offenders will be young people with cheap cars or business-people with company cars. (Mentioning company cars, why is the law more lenient with people who need cars for business purposes, shouldn't they be more careful?)


Fresh test - for certain

10 years for a second DD offense - unrealistic in comparison to other offences.


A ten year ban - I think the result will be even more dangereous people driving while banned, and so driving without insurance, as well.

quote="AussieAdam"] The annoying thing is that there are so many cases of people being stopped for DD who are found to have been already banned already and shouldnt even be on the road. That means they do not have insurance either. - There are some people that just do not care enough and are happy to take the risk of being caught - These are the people that we need to really jump on.

I do feel for those that drive late the following morning after a night out, believing that the alcohol has dissapaited enough for them to be below the limit. They get stopped, they are fractionally over the limit and end up with a ban and a fine and sometimes the loss of a job.


Para 1 - yes these people are a major problem, they have no conscience and no shame and unless we lock them up for life they are going to drive - we need more checks of licences to catch as many of them as we can.

para2 - I don't feel any more sorry for these people than I do for people who get caught just over the limit - they are dangerous and they need to be stopped.

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Truth is though over the next few weeks there are going to be kids lying on mortuary slabs, wifes/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends that wake up the morning after without the one they love.

The press is going to tell the stories of the hit and run driver caught three days later who has mown into a group of people, killing and maiming.

There are also going to be the drivers who end up wrapping their cars round a tree or into a wall, killing themselves and causing their friends and family so much heart ache......

And all because of a couple of beers or a bottle of wine.......and because we do not have sentences that are so punitive they make the thought of drink driving never enter a drivers head.


I imagine that, were cars invented today, they would be banned from use - far too dangerous to put into the hands of a poorly trained amateur. many drivers are leathal, even sober. We pay a high price for convenience![/b]
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Postby AussieAdam on Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:58 pm

I imagine that, were cars invented today, they would be banned from use - far too dangerous to put into the hands of a poorly trained amateur. many drivers are leathal, even sober. We pay a high price for convenience![/b]

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Postby Curvey_Brunette on Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:38 pm

I think there are some really good drivers on the road who don't drink and drive, they don't get involved in accidents, they maintain their cars which are taxed, tested, MOT'ed and insured.

Watching Look North the other day, Humberside police had a crack down on drivers and performed a lot of random stops, one of the drivers they stopped had all the documents except 1, she only had a provisional licence so she got her car lifted after driving around for the last 4 years without any accidents, without drink driving or driving around in a heap of scrap.

It makes me wonder what the point of the car licence is, how many full licence holders are nothing short of reckless? How many full licence holders get caught for drink driving, speeding, are involved in accident, don't bother getting their car tested and are the cause of accidents by comparison to those who aren't full licence holders?

The Tonight show a few weeks ago was about uninsured drivers with statistics of we have a 1 in 10 chance of being involved in a road traffic accident with an uninsured driver, so that means in an accident as a driver or as a pedestrian you have a 9 out of 10 chance of being involved in an accident with a fully insured driver.

It would certainly appear that the attitude of some full licence holders who are all up to date with their MOT, road tax and insurance are only too willing to flout the law in the sense of drink driving, speeding and basically not paying attention to what's going on around them because "the insurance will take care of it"

After all, if it's a company car or a car that has full comprehensive insurance why worry? The insurance will take care of it if they have an accident and I suspect this is the attitude with drink drivers. Despite the fact they shouldn't be on the road, their insurance is going to take care of any claims for them, perhaps even replace their car if they wrap it round a lamp post or put it into a ditch.

I personally love all of our cars, from the Mitsi to the Escort, to me they have character and personality. I wouldn't like anything to happen to them so when I park, (especially in the winter months when it's dark), I park under a street light or I pay for car park parking that has CCTV.

But sadly not everyone has this sort of attitude and I think this is what needs to change.
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Postby AussieAdam on Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:49 pm

Watching Look North the other day, Humberside police had a crack down on drivers and performed a lot of random stops, one of the drivers they stopped had all the documents except 1, she only had a provisional licence so she got her car lifted after driving around for the last 4 years without any accidents, without drink driving or driving around in a heap of scrap.

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If she was driving without being accompanied by a full license holder then she was not insured to drive.and may well have been doing so for some time.........

No sympathy at all - Busted for driving a car she should not have been driving - Good on the cops :D
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Postby Curvey_Brunette on Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:30 pm

AussieAdam wrote:If she was driving without being accompanied by a full license holder then she was not insured to drive.and may well have been doing so for some time.........

No sympathy at all - Busted for driving a car she should not have been driving - Good on the cops :D


My first point would be she was insured, her insurance was confirmed by the police to be valid as she was a named driver.

Secondly, she wasn't speeding, she wasn't driving dangerously, she wasn't drunk, her driving abilities weren't the cause of her being stopped, it was a "routine check"

Finally, unlike many full licence holders, she didn't have a load of points and convictions on her licence so in effect despite not having passed a test, she was a far better driver than most of us full licence holders.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it :lol:

p.s. How's you car? :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby AussieAdam on Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:26 pm

It does not matter --- She is a provisional license holder, a learner, I do not care if she drove so well that she could have parked blindfolded into a matchbox

The law states that a provisional license holder has to be under the supervisions of a full license holder over the age of 21 with at least three years driving experience. If she drives a vehicle alone then she is breaking the law and also her insurance becomes invalid - Period

If I am reading what you say right then she wasnt with a qualified driver --and she got caught out by the police - Good

Very simple lesson here -- If your THAT good then take the flippin driving test.

And just to really get ya goat Curvey lol I tottaly support the police random stopping any driver on the road including myself for any reason whatsoever -- If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.

Im really pleased that police caught her and I hope they get many more smart ass people driving illegally - There is no excuse no matter what arguement you go for .

Who is right here? The Police
who is wrong here ? Her :D
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